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Can we replicate this?
« on: May 10, 2011, 09:10:50 am »
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 03:15:21 pm »
A barricade would be very cool in FSX, heck just having real wires to catch would be cool!  ;D

Thanks for sharing the video, really great find. The first pass was very interesting to watch and the PIO leading to a wave off, or what looked like PIO when the engine started having problems. Great job by the LSOs and pilot!

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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 03:39:57 pm »
I don't have audio for video at moment so I don't know about PIO. However it is good to see (I guess from the clue in text for video: "Captain Slater's fuel state at time of landing was excessively low.") that the pilot does a quick circuit back to a successful barricade engagement. I count about ten seconds from wings level in a shortened groove, I guess the pilot was flying the ball as soon as possible during the turn. Looked like aircraft is in a continuous turn from waveoff to barricade final. Great stuff. NATOPS would have something to say about barricade engagements, as well as the LSO NATOPS etc.
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 05:41:52 pm »
JJ...

Good to hear from ya.  Bad news is, unless you have GOBS of time and a heavy imagination, my answer would be no.  It would be seriously cool to get a barricade, but I wouldnt even know where to start or how a gauge could be made to get a barricade.  And in the end you'd only have a gauge effect, similar to FSX carrier wires (trap zones, cable force equivalents, whatnot), and not a realistic barricade that used some type of visible "virtual physical wires" to catch you.

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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 06:34:50 pm »
Spaz, the pilot calls 300 pounds of fuel remaining in the audio track during the circuit back to land (2nd pass), so very low fuel state indeed  :o
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 10:50:23 pm »
Many thanks for posting, what a video, takes the hair of the bear to get that barrier.  Downloading and converting so I can see it anytime.

That YouTube page has some other vids.
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 10:57:21 pm »
capt, thanks. WOW that is a 'fumes' amount of fuel for sure.
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2011, 02:14:59 pm »
Heard the audio for the first part just now where it seems the pilot has an engine 'fluctuation' problem also? Is that impression of others? Amazing to hear the LSO say "Cut, Cut, Cut" for the pilot to bring the engine to idle just before touchdown. He wasn't going anywhere anyway.  ;D  Nice one.
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 06:17:45 pm »
Spaz,
This is what I've found about standard LSO calls in the LSO NATOPS (NAVAIR 00-80T-104):

“Cut.” - Aircraft is in a position to land. - For barricade recovery, retard throttle(s) to idle and secure engine(s) once safely on deck.

Let's hear once again..  ;) The attached ZIP has two short cuts of the audio. I'm not sure the pilot has any fluctuations, he says 'fluctuations none'...  Also, he has plenty of fuel, as his another responce is 'thirty hundred pounds'
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2011, 10:16:12 pm »
fsxnp, perhaps it is a matter of hearing accents. however the pilot says '3 hundred pounds' - 'three hundred' is what I hear. [I don't believe a pilot would say '30 hundred'.] The other zip says 'fluctuating on the bad engine' where the 'bad' word is indistinct. Listening to/hearing military radios is usually difficult due quality of transmission/reception. Probably somewhere on the web there will be a story/report about this incident. Should be easy to find if it is available given the date stamp on video - 24 Oct 1997.

I went back to listen again to the 'fluctuation' and I guess the pilot is say 'fluctuation on the... NOT engine'. I guess he had too much to worry about to say 'glideslope' to say 'fluctuation on the glideslope' perhaps. Still reckon he says 'three hundred'.  ;D

About the 'CUT' call. I'm not worried about whatever number of times - just to hear it is amazing for a jet aircraft - that is all, because it is so unusual.
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 03:55:22 am »
The "cut, cut, cut" call is standard for LSO's during a barricade arrestment on US ships. Mainly because it is so ingrained in pilots to go to mil during the trap, and as you say spaz, he’s not going anywhere.

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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 03:14:18 am »
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 12:49:09 am »
Here is what NeptunusLex thinks about the Hornet InFlightEngagement:

PLAT LSO says, “C: (LULX-IM) _NEPSAR_ _TT1_”

Lex (former LSO): "Cut Pass – A little lined-up left start-to-in-the-middle, not enough power settle at the ramp (underlined), taxi, taxi one wire (underlined)"

http://www.neptunuslex.com/2011/05/16/rhino-cut-to-an-ife/comment-page-1/#comment-721585

Rhino Cut to an IFE By lex, on May 16th, 2011

"A late wave-off causes a Super Hornet to engage the one wire while coming up to fully power"
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2011, 07:36:29 pm »
Guys,
Mr.Slater (the pilot) kindly answered my questions about that barricade arrestment.
First, his right engine rpm's started winding down during the first pass, so what we heard was 'fluctuations on [...] right engine'.
And he had 300 pounds indicated in tank 3 and all others showed 0...  ::)
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Re: Can we replicate this?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2011, 09:04:09 pm »
Mr. Slater was cool as a jewel  8) rolling into the groove with only 3 hundred pounds for the first ever F/A-18C barricade trap with serious engine and gear problems. I wonder how he ended up so low on gas, may be waiting for all other airplanes to trap, and then the barricade to be set up? Or mabye a fuel leak or inability to transfer? They wouldn't have run him low on fuel on purpose for the barricade landing would they?

Hope the LSOs gave him and _OK_ Barricade.

-Capt

 
« Last Edit: May 20, 2011, 09:06:30 pm by capthaltli »
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