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[SpazSinbad]

capthaltli, to answer your question about line up during approach. There is no 'drifting' (gradually coming back to centreline to be there at the ramp for example). As has been said 'meatball, line up and airspeed (Opt. AoA)'. There is no other (HUD for part of the way I would suggest is used by experienced pilots rather than newbies as I understand). Technique is to be on or getting very quickly to the three parameters.

The angle deck is moving forwards and because of the angle the angle deck is moving to the right of any aircraft lined up - all the time. Necessarily to stay on centreline the aircraft has to 'nibble' (make small wing downs) to the right all the time. Keep all the parameters as close to ideal as possible all the time. If out of alignment then get back ASAP and stay there. Yes I know easier said than done but that is carrier aviation.  

ADDITION: Also 'crossing the wake' is important before lining up on centreline of angle deck (see illustration attached)

The reason for 'no drifting' is that if you can manage to use this land based airforce technique then you will be at the ramp with the nose of the aircraft not pointing down the angle deck. The LSO will have waved you off anyway but if you do arrest it is likely you have a bad off centre arrest causing perhaps problems for your aircraft and others.

Yes 15-20 seconds in groove is ideal AFAIK. Probably the shorter the better.

If and when F-35C automatic landings become standard during the day then JPALS would have to be in use (not available yet) and it would need to be done from this kind of day circuit most likely unless somehow a long straight in approach with successive aircraft being close together is devised, using the precision of JPALS. Having short time landing intervals is critical during the day to get aircraft aboard expeditiously so that the carrier can do other things off the BRC or whatever.

[Sludge]

CAPT...

I dont think I intentionally over-compensate to the right but I'll have to check on that when I do more patterns to give you a more thought out answer.

BTW, as you can see from my pics, I also have the overly-long time in the groove. I've counted and its actually around 20 secs, so have to find out from Serge when he gets back, how thats counted.

Later
Sludge

[GOONIE]

Thanks, Sludge and Spaz.

I flew several approaches last night, I think I am close. I also noticed the carrier did not stop the entire time I was flying Serge's mission, not sure what I did differently.

Below is a picture of a more centered flight path (lateral) from the LSO debrief, and also a 2D HUD view after my start in the groove. Does my sight picture/ line up look correct, or should I be more to the right?

Everytime I fly I think of something new for Serge, this time I was thinking after trapping XX amount of times with acceptable passes, the vLSO could trigger an LSO call which says you are qual'd. If you have too many wave offs or one wires, the LSO should tell you to shut down or RTB.

-CAPT

[SpazSinbad]

From the 'lineup' screenshot you are a little bit left - perhaps lined up with the left side/edge (ladder?) of the angled flight deck rather than lined up with the centreline.

[tommie0908]

I am geting scoring from the lso but I have no sound from lsa calls......tried starting lso first , fsx first and still the same thing. The sound file in in the vLSO file folder that was placed in FSX

[GOONIE]

Tom,
Regarding your LSO sound issue, first do you have the on screen messages checked, and do you see the LSO text messages on the top of the screen ? Second, I would move the entire vLSO folder, which contains the vLSO.exe (this is important) and sound folder (as well as other files), from FSX to  your desktop. If you run the vLSO.exe file directly from the main vLSO folder the sounds should work. I moved the vLSO.exe out of the folder at first, and had no sounds until I moved it back to the main folder. The only other thing I can think of, is you might want to check your sound settings in FSX, make sure "voices" volume is set to high.

-Capt

[SpazSinbad]

T-45C Rear Seat View Carrier Approach from Base Turn - crossing the wake - short final (about 15-7 seconds?) .WMV Video Zipped attached

[Tregarth]

SpazSinbad,

Amazing video; I am surprised by how close to the ship the plane is at the start and the speed with which the landing is completed.

Thanks for the post.

Tregarth

[SpazSinbad]

One can be too close - in which case the LSO will call 'waveoff'. However one can fly the ball in the last part of the turn before wings level. Carriers like good, short successful landing intervals between aircraft so that the carrier can do other stuff and not just flight ops.

[SpazSinbad]

An 'oldie but a goodie'.... (zipped .WMV video) An A-4B Deck Lands on USS Randolph with the mirror on the starboard side. Note the aircraft is turning before reaching abeam the LSO and it is a short 'seemingly high' approach (depends on where the camera is and zoom setting probably). Note the short straightaway. Note the nose movement and ball in mirror.
N.B. This video is so old that the A-4B may not have had an AoA Indexer, relying on airspeed only. Cannot be certain of details of the clip etc.

[GOONIE]

Serge, just wanted to say I really like that every time you fire up the vLSO and fly you get a new set of LSO audio clips. Last night I flew with the LSO with the nonchalant "Roger ball", he almost sounds upset, or indifferent about you flying the approach.

One thing I noticed flying a couple passes with the hook up, I never got any Bolter, Bolter calls from the LSO, has anyone else had this happen?

Capt

[SpazSinbad]

During CQ or as required (keeping current) it is legitimate to do 'hook up' carrier approaches. These 'touch and goes' or 'crashes and dashes' (usually terms for runway landings) are not 'bolters'. Bolters occur when the hook skips over the wires after touchdown in a hook down approach. Hence reason for going to full power in case this happens - it is unpredictable and not always caused by the pilot - just part of the landscape.

[GOONIE]

I've heard this call on several carrier qual PLAT cam tapes in the US, when the aircraft flies the approach with the hook up, usually the first two passes, the LSOs calls Bolter Bolter after they touch down. Obviously the touch and go is expected by all (pilot and LSO) but maybe the call is still made for habit or pattern recognition, for example if the LSO didn't say Bolter after touching down it would be more similar to catching a wire, even though the pilot response is the same, apply mil power.

Have you heard differently for us navy ops?

[SpazSinbad]

Can you point to those PLAT tapes online please? Seems unusual to me. Perhaps it is done (hook up bolter call) as a precaution. It seems that the LSO is assuming the pilot is really dumb. The pilot may well be. 

[GOONIE]

Spaz I have them on DVD, sorry.

Serge, ignore my earlier comment, i am now getting the Bolter calls, thanks.