Author Topic: How about to create retired Airports?  (Read 903 times)

breenild

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How about to create retired Airports?
« on: September 24, 2024, 05:52:12 pm »
It's really sad  that there already exist two, three or even four payware sceneries for the same airport.
The best example is Barcelona LEBL. The developers put so many effort and love in it, and then only few buy it  because there are already existing other sceneries.

Nowadays it's quite difficult to find high rated active airports to create, which weren't already published.

Here my idea:
How about to create and publish very interesting retired airports, like
  • Berlin Tempelhof
  • Munich Riem
  • Athens (old) LGAT
  • Quito (old) SEQU
  • ...

These are only examples and I'm sure there are even more.
And I would really LOVE fly there. Even they do not exist anymore in reality.
I mean the developers conserve old airplanes, which do not fly anymore, why not also conserve beautiful and interesting old airports?

But they need to get developed nicely and almost realistic, with it's runways and the approach procedures of it's time.
I mean with working historic ILS, VOR, NDB.
And it should be possible to activate their historic arrival and approach procedures in the airliners FMC.
I know, sometimes you have to remove buildings, which where built there. But i think, it's worth it!

That would be really awesome and i would buy them instantly for sure.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2024, 05:59:40 pm by breenild »

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Re: How about to create retired Airports?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2024, 07:47:19 pm »
You asked a question, but literally in the next paragraph answered your own question as to why that would be a challenge. With current airports, one could go to the airport and take pictures of it to make it as accurate as possible. You can't really do that with an airport that doesn't exist anymore, so you have to rely on pictures that you can find on the Internet. ILS, VOR, and NDB, if you can find the charts for the airport to make this accurate, sure. But if you can't, what do you do then. Navigraph charts won't help here since it only has charts for current airports. As for the FMC, the problem is every developer has their own way of setting up the navigation data for the FMC, so how would you do that. And even then, an updated AIRAC cycle might wipe everything out anyway.
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Re: How about to create retired Airports?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2024, 04:31:15 am »
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And I would really LOVE fly there. Even they do not exist anymore in reality.

You could try to find those airports in Google and look for the GPS locations. Using the GPS in your airplane you could fly to the location. Your sim might not have them listed but at least you could find them.

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Re: How about to create retired Airports?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2024, 07:18:38 am »
You could try to find those airports in Google and look for the GPS locations. Using the GPS in your airplane you could fly to the location. Your sim might not have them listed but at least you could find them.
If you tried to fly to Munich Riem using this method, you might have a really bad day.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/8SGHDCsDgxmWiWtk6
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Re: How about to create retired Airports?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2024, 11:08:29 am »
Yes, it absolutely makes no sense to fly to this location, where the airport was without having a scenery for that.

Yes i know about all that problems to create such a scenery.
But I'm sure  there exist a lot of pictures in the Internet to make a scenery with a reasonable quality.

And finding the ILS, VOR, NDB data should also be possible.

Regarding the procedures in the FMS of the planes, there we maybe need to contact Navigraph and ask them, if the could add it to the charts and AIRAC.

Lately Navigraph is for flightsimmers and not for real pilots.

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Re: How about to create retired Airports?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2024, 08:56:37 pm »
But I'm sure  there exist a lot of pictures in the Internet to make a scenery with a reasonable quality.
There's a difference between finding pictures and finding pictures from every angle. You'd need pictures from every angle to have any chance of making something decent.
And finding the ILS, VOR, NDB data should also be possible.
That could go either way.
Regarding the procedures in the FMS of the planes, there we maybe need to contact Navigraph and ask them, if the could add it to the charts and AIRAC.

Lately Navigraph is for flightsimmers and not for real pilots.
Lots of luck with that one, but I'd hazard a guess and say no. They added in FMC data for Kai Tak only just a few years ago, so you could at least enter in the approaches and departures into the FMC, but they don't have charts for it.
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