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Products Support => JFK for FSX/P3D => Topic started by: blaunarwal on May 04, 2013, 09:28:41 pm
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I reinstalled JFK V2 but it didn't help. I have double scenery. If I move the jetway, another one remains in place. I searched for double sceneries, nothing. I had V1 before, uninstalled it before I installed the V2. Any ideas?http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/71/doublejetwaysjfk309.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/71/doublejetwaysjfk309.jpg)
Dan
P.S. I checked for double files. I couldn't find one by searching with explorer nor with "simple airport scanner".
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Just some more information. I saw this problem researching with google. The solution there was a double file. It had nothing to do especially with fsdt jfk. I checked, if I have this problem worldwide. No, in KORD everything is fine.
I tried disabling JFK 2. See what I got
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8042/jfk2disabled.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8042/jfk2disabled.jpg)
It is still there, still double jetways. Looks like V1 to me, but I'm not sure. I try installing jfk v1 and uninstalling once again.
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I also have perhaps a similar problem deactivating JFKV2: I see the same scenery as V2 (or V1, I dont' know) doubled over the default fsx. See my post here
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=8557.0
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Hi Squalo
I just read your posts before. Seems to be a similar problem. It looks like the old JFK is somewhere. I will install now jfk v1 again and check the filenames there. Then search for these in my FSX directories. It must be somewhere like scenery\world\scenery or addon scenery\scenery, since I have not entry for it in scenery.cfg
What did virtuali mean with other scenery.cfg. There's only one used version I thought? The others are always standard first installation state I thought.
I'm trying now to disable sceneries one by one until JFK is empty.
I checked all sceneries. Compared with FSX on an old computer with no FSDT sceneries. FSX JFK looks different. What we see is an addon. I disabled all sceneries, and it's still there. I even checked the scenery entries, you can't disable: Base, Prob, World, Global. There I moved away all non standard bgl files. JFK remainded something different than standard scenery. But where, does fsx get it???
I have no idea now.
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If I move the jetway, another one remains in place
This is a very specific case, and doesn't have anything to do with double sceneries. If you have a conflicting scenery, you are supposed to see double objects everywhere, not just jetways and NOT just when they start to move (and only the one that is moving)
At SOME gates, this might happen, but it's not clear what causes it, it's likely an FSX jetway bug similar to the sinking wheels bug, likely related to video drivers, because jetway animations are handled by FSX using shaders programs that runs on the GPU. They move entirely outside our control.
I'm sorry, but there are really no sure solutions to this, other than try playing with video driver settings or possibly FSC.CFG tweaks to add and/or remove.
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I just read your posts before. Seems to be a similar problem.
No, your problem (according to your description) was that you still saw JFK objects even with the scenery disabled in the Scenery Library, this problem reports jetways that splits only when they move, which is an entirely different issue.
Your problem was related with something in the Scenery Library, and of course my offer to check your system with Teamviewer, still stands.
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Your problem was related with something in the Scenery Library, and of course my offer to check your system with Teamviewer, still stands.
@Umberto: No, not to me, to Squalo you offered to check the system with Teamviewer.
How does this go with Teamviewer. Do I need Teamviewer or only you?
I don't think you can find the problem. After research on the web, I found different forum entries. Mostly the reason was seen in AES. AES Help doesn't find the new JFK v2. It seems to know only the old version.
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I need nothing, thanks
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I need nothing, thanks
Seriously ? You can't come to a forum asking for help, and when you get it you don't want it.
Take your bad attitude somewhere else from this forum.
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Yes, with no offence for you, please!, I don't like to share my pc with other persons!
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@Umberto: No, not to me, to Squalo you offered to check the system with Teamviewer.
Yes, of course my reply was directed to him: I've quoted the wrong message...
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Yes, with no offence for you, please!, I don't like to share my pc with other persons!
You don't share anything, except for the *duration* of that session, which has a temporary password, and nobody can enter again unless you keep Teamviewer running AND you keep the same password and of course, you can also uninstall it after done.
After research on the web, I found different forum entries. Mostly the reason was seen in AES. AES Help doesn't find the new JFK v2. It seems to know only the old version.
If the problem was AES, you should also see several jetways in places were they are not supposed to be, for example in the old terminal which was destroyed, or misplaced jetways.
If, instead, you see all jetways in their correct positions, that splits in two ONLY when they start to move, it's not AES and it's not a duplicate scenery, but is the problem I've explained in my previous message, which is probably an FSX bug related in some way to video settings.
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After hours of trying, I give up. If I uninstall JFK2, Addon Manager and Cuoatl, I have pure default scenery. After reinstalling JFK2, I have double Jetways. This seems to be a problem of the JFK2 scenery. The only thing I got rid of are double buildings like the tower. It looks perfect now as long as I don't use the jetways. GSX doesn't work anymore now. I only have the option to move the hangar doors now. No idea, why the menu for services got lost. :o
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If it was a video settings problem, I had this everywhere, not only in JFK. FSDT Chicago O'Hare works fine, Zurich, Geneva too. It's only JFK.
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If it was a video settings problem, I had this everywhere, not only in JFK
That's just an assumption that has no real technical base. If this is a bug that happens only after a certain amount of video memory has been consumed, and after a certain combination of shaders and materials has been called, it's very likely you wouldn't see anywhere else, if the conditions are not met, without this being a problem with JFK in itself.
And yes, I've seen it at other FSDT sceneries too, but couldn't find a cause that could be related in any way to how the sceneries are made, it's just that not many sceneries out there have custom jetways, so there's not much to compare against, perhaps FSX has a bug with custom jetways only after a certain size, either in the jetway itself, or in the overall memory usage of the scenery, and this can change by area.
I'm saying this in order to save you from wasting your time with uninstalling/reinstalling JFK or finding duplicates. If the problem is exactly as you described ( perfect jetways overall, which splits in two ONLY when they move ), it's not a problem of the scenery and it's not a problem of a duplicate scenery. Just accept the fact that the FSX jetways are bugged, just like the sinking wheels problem, which randomly affect jetways everywhere.
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Now everything works fine again, but the double jetways persist. Really bad thing this. I tried to revert my last Nvidia settings, but this didn't change a thing. Also changing fsx graphic settings didn't had any influence.
But now, it's time for a bit flying.
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Yes, with no offence for you, please!, I don't like to share my pc with other persons!
??? What Harm is it going to Do ? It's not like Umberto can go and open your banking information..
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??? What Harm is it going to Do ? It's not like Umberto can go and open your banking information..
Especially considering that, during a Teamviewer session, the host sees exactly what the controlling side is doing.
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I have installed JFKV2 like many others on here and I get the same issue ie default jetways as well as the ones from JFKv2, my install of fsx is on a brand new reinstalled PC and when I remove it (ie untick) from the scenery library it still shows as JFKv2.
Hornetville
Ps I have deleted it fomr the scenery library and yet JFKv2 shows but with inly default FSX jetways surely that's not correct.
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I have installed JFKV2 like many others on here and I get the same issue ie default jetways as well as the ones from JFKv2
As already explained to a previous poster, your problem doesn't have anything to do with the subject of this thread. This thread discussed ONLY the problem happening on some gate that CUSTOM JFK V2 jetways splits up ONLY after they start to move.
You and another poster are reporting an entirely different issue, which is DEFAULT jetways showing up together with the JFK V2 custom ones.
And as explained to all other having this issue, when you have default things popping out, and especially jetways, it's ALWAYS caused by another AFCAD in conflict OR some kind of changes in the default AFCAD for JFK.
Only an AFCAD can contain default jetways, and the most likely source of conflict are AFCADs supplied with AI Traffic packages, such as My Traffic X, Traffic X, etc.
You should use the free FSX Airport Scanner program to search for AFCAD duplicates and remove them all. If that scanner doesn't find them, it doesn't mean you don't have such duplicates, but just that you have a duplicate that program can't find, so you must search for it manually.
This, of course, assuming you have JFK V2 on top of the scenery library, which is were the installer puts it by default.
when I remove it (ie untick) from the scenery library it still shows as JFKv2.
That's also not a problem or an indication of some kind of problem, because when you disable JFK V2 in the Scenery Library, you disable very few things in the scenery, just the .BGLs, and 80% of the scenery is not made by .BGLs, so it will still show, without this meaning anything or being an indication something is wrong. Of course, if you restart FSX with JFK V2 disabled, nothing will show up.
This is normal, and doesn't have anything to do with default jetways showing up, which are instead caused by another AFCAD coming from another scenery or AI traffic package.
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I did restart FSX after deleting it from scenery library and the JFKv2 scenery was still there, I dont have any traffic installed so thats nothing to do with it also some gates have stirs on the side of the gate rather than doen and no numbers above them ie D...
Hornetville
Ps I have removed it completely including taking FSDreamteam folder out of FSX and now it's back to default, I cannot believe you are blaming users when it is an issue with the add on that I purchased.
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also some gates have stirs on the side of the gate rather than doen and no numbers above them ie D...
Which numbers are you referring to ? This doesn't have anything to do with double or default jetways too.
Ps I have removed it completely including taking FSDreamteam folder out of FSX and now it's back to default
Well, of course, but that doesn't mean the JFK V2 it's a problem.
Yes, I know it might sound counter-intuitive to you, because you don't know how our software works, and works in a way that it looks for a specific file to know if it need to generate buildings, and it's still possible that another file might contain the same info that our software looks for in order to check if the scenery it's there.
If that file is in another folder which IS active, it might be identified as being part of JFK V2, this happened with KLAX: a freeware scenery by chance had the same size AND the same name as one of the files used with KLAX, so it seemed that KLAX was installed when it wasn't.
I cannot believe you are blaming users when it is an issue with the add on that I purchased.
I'm not obviously "blaming the user", I've just said the problem was caused by something external, what this has anything to do with "blaming" you ?
There just ONE another user that had the same problem in this thread, perhaps he had the same scenery installed, but he refused by offer to start a Teamviever session to find the cause, because (obviously) if it was a problem within JFK V2 itself, it would happen to EVERYBODY, not just 2 users out of several thousands that already downloaded it.
If it's ok for you, I can use Teamviewer to have a look at your installation, so we might finally know what is causing it.
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Am happy to start a teamviewer session with yourself, have no issue with that at all, I would just like this scenery to work as JFK worked.
Hornetville
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Then just PM me with session id and password, I'm ready when you are.
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Turn out to be the double jetways were those from AES. It's important you keep AES disabled at JFK until is updated to support JFK V2
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Blaming each other doesn't bring a solution to this problem. When I test scenery which I develop myself, I have to reload the scenery library to test my changes. Then all dynamic objects are reloaded and appear double. Some like AI traffic are just driving behind each other, others are within each other like the jetways. Creating a test flight and reloading this situation, clears all double dynamic scenery and gives back a lot of fps. I get double jetways on my sceneries too, when I reload the scenery. If I reset the situation, the double jetways are gone. JFK2 behaves differently. The double jetways stay. Loading the scenery with a fresh started fsx gave me single jetways. So it has certainly to do with how FSX handles jetways. The question is, what is different about the jetways at JFK. Opening the afcad in ADE9X doesn't show anything special. Maybe Umberto has an answer to this.
Dan
P.S. AES is off at my JFK V2
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Blaming each other doesn't bring a solution to this problem.
As I've said, after our Teamviewer session, we found that double jetways in THAT case, were caused by AES.
So it has certainly to do with how FSX handles jetways
Sure.
The question is, what is different about the jetways at JFK. Opening the afcad in ADE9X doesn't show anything special. Maybe Umberto has an answer to this.
The issue is, this thread is very confusing, because there are people that posted with DIFFERENT issue, that doesn't have anything to do with each other, and are caused by very different things:
1) JFK jetways mixed with *default* jetways and double control towers, double buildings, etc. This is SURELY caused by another AFCAD in conflict.
2) JFK jetways mixed with copies of *JFK* jetways in slightly different positions. No other double objects. This is caused by AES, because the double jetways are created by AES, but they look like JFK jetways too, and they are misplaced because their positions were based on JFK V1 so AES must be updated to support V2 to fix this.
3) JFK jetways that looks correct, but split in two ONLY after they start to move, and no other double objects around. This is really a mystery, and it's likely another FSX jetways bug similar to the sinking wheels problem, it doesn't happen only at JFK, we saw it at other airports too, and it appears randomly without a clear pattern, the same jetway that used to work in a session, splits up in the next one, and this leads to believe it has something to do with a problem with graphic resource handling in FSX.
So, to sum it up, of the 3 causes that were discussed here (even if the thread's subject was really about #3), two are caused by external products, and the 3rd one is an FSX bug, the only sure thing, it's nothing *specific* to JFK V2. It's possible this bug is triggered if jetways are more complex of x polygons, but they are the same model we used in JFK V1, just moved to slightly different positions, so we really don't have a firm idea of the possible causes, other than being an FSX bug.
Sooner or later, we'll finally have to tackle the jetway issue once and forever in GSX, and stop relying on FSX for their handling.
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I meant an answer to your point 3) (real twins, real mistery) ::)
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I meant an answer to your point 3) (real twins, real mistery) ::)
We worked a bit on them today, and maybe found the issue. It IS an FSX bug, but it's more a bug of the AFCAD handling of exclusion zones, not really specific to jetways.
Would like to hear some feedback about the updated AFCAD attached here, if it fixes the issue, we'll post it online and make it official. Put the updated AFCAD in the FSX\fsdreamteam\KJFK\scenery folder.
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Umberto, the updated AFCAD has fixed the jetway issue for me.