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FS9 support => Chicago O'Hare for FS9 => Topic started by: thepilot on March 13, 2008, 08:47:02 pm
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Hi,
just downloaded&installed the scenery.
However my FS9 seems to load, but shortly before the main menu should show up, it just quits.
In case I deinstall KORD, everything is ok again.
I have no cloud9 products installed, and, to be safe, I deinstalled everything including the so-called "addon-manager".
After another reinstall, same thing.
I do recall that numerous persons already had this issue when Zurich came out.
No error is displayed.
I hope you can help.
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I have the exact problem
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OK... I'm glad not to be the only one :o
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Same problem here. It told me that my Amsterdam, Washington, and Los Angeles sceneries were not activated, which in reality, they were as I have visited them in the sim before. I tried again and I received a message to update Amsterdam to the most recent version, which I just did a moment ago. No luck though, the sim still won't start. No error messages for me either now.
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Yeah that happened to me too. When I started up fs9 it told me that both cloud9 EHAM and KLAX weren't activated, and then asked me if I wanted to activate them. Naturally I answered yes, and now fs won't start at all. Feels good though that I'm not the only one having a problem with this
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Using FS9 for the sceneries.
Same here, I got an notice that Amsterdam & KLAX were installed but not activated and the request to activate.
I chose YES as I thought it may have something to do with the ADDON Manager & KORD. I did not install the stand alone Manager.
I also have Zurich FS9
What is happening?
Henry
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You all have C9s sceneries installed? Makes me wonder... never did so as far as I know.
Strange thing... hope a capable solution comes up soon.
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Please try the following:
Download and install the Stand Alone Addon Manager for FS9. It might be there's a problem with the OHare file on the server, while we check, the Stand-Alone Addon Manager should fix the issue.
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yup, I got c9 eham&klax in addition to ZurichX
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Please try the following:
Download and install the Stand Alone Addon Manager for FS9. It might be there's a problem with the OHare file on the server, while we check, the Stand-Alone Addon Manager should fix the issue.
Where to download?
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Yeah.... same S*** here >:( fsdreamteam....we need an update and we need it now... please ;)
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Where to download?
Here http://www.fsdreamteam.com/download/setup_addonmanager.exe (http://www.fsdreamteam.com/download/setup_addonmanager.exe)
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hello again. I uninstalled both the addon manager and fsdohare, and then fs9 worked fine. HOWEVER, when I downloaded the stand-alone addon manager, without installing the ohare scenery, i experienced the same thing, with fs9 crashing to desktop. Am I missing any certain files for the addon manager to work properly maybe?
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I deinstalled everything, then I installed O'hare, followed by the addon-manager you provided.
Problem not yet solved.
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to all you developers, take your time, no stress. I definitely understand that there of course can be issues when releasing a new product. Take your time, we're sure of that you eventually will solve the problem:)
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Did as told, installed the stand alone manager, still no Flight Simulator.
Henry
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to all you developers, take your time, no stress. I definitely understand that there of course can be issues when releasing a new product. Take your time, we're sure of that you eventually will solve the problem:)
But I honestly never understood why it's necessary to use fancy methods like the "addon-manager".
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Please, do not start a thread about the Addon Manager. The Addon Manager works. The scenery wouldn't work without (we explained why many times).
This issue doesn't affect everyone, because we are already seeing sales coming in. This means the product works, otherwise those people wouldn't be able to purchase it.
We just need to understand why it doesn't work on *some* machines.
NOTE: By removing the Addon Mananger from the Control Panel (it will appear as a separate product if you installed the Stand-Alone), FS9 will surely start so, at least, you can use it until we figure out what's going on.
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I certainly have limited knowledge, but maybe it has to do something with preventing piracy? I might be wrong
I repeat: please, do not start a thread about the Addon Manager. The scenery wouldn't work without it. We explained why many times, the sales/protection aspect it's just ONE of its features. But even without any kind of protection (and that would mean getting rid of the Trial version), the scenery will still use, install and not run without the Addon Manager.
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Same problem. Perhaps some information on my end in case it helps.
1. Did have Cloud9 installed (version 1.0). After installing O'Hare, it said that LAX was out of date and FS would close. It did as it said.
2. Updated LAX to 1.1. No more message about it being out of date, but FS9 CTD.
3. Unistalled LAX, same thing happened.
4. Uninstalled O'Hare, including add-on manager. FS9 started fine.
5. Reinstalled O'Hare, this time with stand alone add-on manager. Crashed.
6. Uninstalled everything again, checked that FS9 started and then installed the "stand alone add-on manager" only. FS9 crashed as before.
7. Uninstalled the add-on manager and everything is fine again.
It would seem the problem is somewhere in the add-on manager. I also have FlyTampa MDW installed and mention this only because one of the "O'Hare Tweak" files was replaced/renamed. Probably not the problem. Please understand that I am not complaining at all about the add-on manager either. Just adding some information and it seems that the problem is located somewhere in that.
Anyway, problems happen, but you can be certain once I can install this into FS9, you'll have my purchase.
Eric
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I certainly have limited knowledge, but maybe it has to do something with preventing piracy? I might be wrong
I repeat: please, do not start a thread about the Addon Manager. The scenery wouldn't work without it. We explained why many times, the sales/protection aspect it's just ONE of its features. But even without any kind of protection (and that would mean getting rid of the Trial version), the scenery will still use, install and not run without the Addon Manager.
Any update?
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Calm down guys. I know it's not funny to face this kind of issues (I've had some too) but the fact is that I have ALL of the sceneries using this tool and installed KORD without any S***. Just reactivated all the previously installed products and that's it. Definitly the problem is not the Addon manager (or not just it). A bad interaction with something on your systems? Something else???? Good luck,
Iouri
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I've just downloaded the Addon Manager from our server to check it, and I confirm is the correct one and it works on all our machines. People are buying it, so it must be working, at least for some.
Things to check for:
- An older version of the esellerateengine.dll somewhere in your system and the installer for some reason wasn't able to update it. Look for this file in the following folders: the FS9 root folder, the \Windows folder, and (under Vista) the c:\ProgramData\Esellerate folder. If you find an esellerateengine.dll file in any of these folders, manually delete it and then REINSTALL (to put the correct one in place).
- Antivirus interfering with the product. Try to reinstall with A/V turned off and run FS9 with A/V turned off
- FS9.EXE patched for >2GB. If you did this, you HAVE to use a nocd FS9.EXE. Our installer will automatically detect which FS9.EXE you have and install the correct version. But, if you patched an FS9.EXE with CD check, the program will crash at start.
- Under Vista, the FS9 Addon Manager needs DEP turned off-
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Everything checked and again reinstalled. No effect. Might be that it works for some people, but for a large amount of them, it obviously doesn't.
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Tried everything as you said as well, and still not working. I realize there might be something wrong then with my computer or FS installation, but I have very limited knowledge, so don't really know what to look for
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Please, contact me via email: I can send you a special debugging version, that will help me diagnose your problem.
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YEESSSSS!!! I downloaded the no cd patch and now everything seems to work for me!!! I'll bring my VISA up instantly. Thanks for all of your help
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ok, same with me.
After telling me that Bergen, Amsterdam, L.A. are out of date and won't work - CTD
and after un-installing: same CTD same messages.
Virtuali - copyright protection is one thing. but to ... up my Flightsim is another. I want my Flightsim back. You had no right, no permission to mess around with my Flightsim. And you did. That is not ok. Protect O'Hare, that's ok. All the other stuff is none of your business. I payed lot of money for it and now it does not work anymore. >:(
Martin
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Virtuali - copyright protection is one thing. but to ... up my Flightsim is another. I want my Flightsim back
First, there is an Uninstaller just for that reason: if something doesn't work, by uninstalling the product your FS will return exactly like it was before. If you installed OHare, uninstall, then reply "Yes" to the question of removing the Addon Manager. If you installed the Stand-Alone Addon Manager, Uninstall that one as well. This will return your FS exactly like before.
Please see Fulano's message: his issue was the >2GB patch applied on an FS9 with CD checks. Try to see if this is your problem as well. It's a known issue of our FS9 products since we released Zurich: it's not possible to use it on a patched >2GB FS9.EXE that also has the original CD protection check. This can't be fixed, unfortunately. In this case, the protection that is interfering is the original CD check.
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Can somebody PM me and tell me where to find a FS9.1 no cd patch/crack?
Just in case...
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Hi,
same problem here:
a) FS9.1, ZurichX, C9 AMS 1.04 on VISTA 32bit ultimate
b) Did have AMS Cloud9 installed (version 1.04). After installing O'Hare, it said that AMS has to be activated on this PC. YES or NO. I choose NO. FS9.1 CTD.
c) deinstalled AMS 1.04, same procedure, chosse this time "YES" and again FS9 CTD.
d) uninstalled O'Hare, including add-on manager. FS9 started fine.
e) deleted all *bglman*.* files in /FS2004/modules/ and installed O'Hare and Addon Manager. FS9 CTD.
f) deinstalled O'Hare, deinstalled Addon Manager, reinstalled AMS 1.04, starting FS9.1. OK!
e) EOF
hope this helps.
Costa
Remarks. no "no-CD-patch", no "2GB patch" installed
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a) FS9.1, ZurichX, C9 AMS 1.04 on VISTA 32bit ultimate
Have you turned off DEP ?
b) Did have AMS Cloud9 installed (version 1.04). After installing O'Hare, it said that AMS has to be activated on this PC. YES or NO. I choose NO.
You should have replied Yes, of course. This will allow for 5 activations for all Cloud9 product you have. Anyway, it shouldn't have crashed in either case.
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just a quick remark here, I had all the same problems as everyone else in this thread. But the solution to my problem was downloading the fs9 no-cd patch. I just googled it and found it instantly. You don't have anything to lose in trying with the no-cd patch
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Virtuali - copyright protection is one thing. but to ... up my Flightsim is another. I want my Flightsim back
First, there is an Uninstaller just for that reason: if something doesn't work, by uninstalling the product your FS will return exactly like it was before. If you installed OHare, uninstall, then reply "Yes" to the question of removing the Addon Manager. If you installed the Stand-Alone Addon Manager, Uninstall that one as well. This will return your FS exactly like before.
Please see Fulano's message: his issue was the >2GB patch applied on an FS9 with CD checks. Try to see if this is your problem as well. It's a known issue of our FS9 products since we released Zurich: it's not possible to use it on a patched >2GB FS9.EXE that also has the original CD protection check. This can't be fixed, unfortunately. In this case, the protection that is interfering is the original CD check.
great - of course I denied the uninstallation of the addon amanger as I need it for my other cloud9 products. Are you arware, that in your manual is nothing said about how to get rid of this "product"?
I thought you might have learned form Zurich - seems you did not. That is no good.
and no, any fs9.exe check must be ok.
Martin
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Found a eSellerateenginge file version 3.6.5.0 dated 28-9-2005.
If I delete this file what do I have to reinstall ? The stand alone manager or the KORD scenery?
Henry
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just a quick remark here, I had all the same problems as everyone else in this thread. But the solution to my problem was downloading the fs9 no-cd patch. I just googled it and found it instantly. You don't have anything to lose in trying with the no-cd patch
Nice one, it works now :D Hope I can purchase soon.
By the way virtuali, why do I have to enter my adress etc. when attempting to checkout via PayPal?
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a) FS9.1, ZurichX, C9 AMS 1.04 on VISTA 32bit ultimate
Have you turned off DEP ?
b) Did have AMS Cloud9 installed (version 1.04). After installing O'Hare, it said that AMS has to be activated on this PC. YES or NO. I choose NO.
You should have replied Yes, of course. This will allow for 5 activations for all Cloud9 product you have. Anyway, it shouldn't have crashed in either case.
1)DEP? I deactivated it -->now<-- with "bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff" Shall I try to install O'Hare and start Fs9.1 again?
2) Why should I have to reply YES. AMS 1.04 was already installed, activated and no hardware change was done.
Costa
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Problem has been found!!
There was a small file difference in the installer, that was only relevant in case of the regular CD FS9.EXE
To fix it, install and then replace the 3 bglman*.DAT files in the MODULES folder with the one attached.
EDIT:
Starting from 23:20 CET, the Stand-Alone Addon Manager installer already includes these fixed files.
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;) Thank you so much...
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Problem has been found!!
There was a small file difference in the installer, that was only relevant in case of the regular CD FS9.EXE
To fix it, install and then replace the 3 bglman*.DAT files in the MODULES folder with the one attached. We'll update the installers as soon as possible.
We apologize for the mess.
Hi,
confirmed! Problem really solved! Thanks a lot and happy earnings! :-)
Gruss
Costa
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NO has not. Ok, FS9 starts again, but all of my Cloud9 sceneries are gone and the threat that entering the areas of Bergen and Amsterdam would cause the FS9 to close down still exists.
How about I send you my account number and you pay me back for
- Amsterdam
- L.A.
- Bergen
- Washington
that would be great, as it is none of your business to mess around with secenries I already had paid for.
I am very tired now of all of this.
Martin
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the threat that entering the areas of Bergen and Amsterdam would cause the FS9 to close down still exists.
If you are getting this message, it can be fixed by doing what the message suggests: updating the sceneries. Also, the message says FS will quit when entering the area, but instead it will not do that immediately: it will still allow to fly on the outdated scenery for the same duration of the Trial, until you update it.
as it is none of your business to mess around with secenries I already had paid for
The reason for the update it's because now Cloud9 has improved its Activation policy. Instead of just 1 activation per order, you will now have 5 activations (like our products), meaning you will have much more installation freedom, and you shouldn't have to contact support too often when changing hardware.
This requires to have the last version of all Cloud9 products and this version of the Addon Manager, and simply confirm the activation (just once) when FS starts.
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Hi,
again, problem solved. I can affirm no negative interaction between C9 Products and KORD.
With the new bglman the problem is solved.
thanks. Clap, clap, clap!
costa
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I needed a glass of wine and an anti-stress tablet but I shall sleep allright now knowing the FS9 is working again.
Next time I think I shall be more patient and wait a day before installing the next scenery.
KORD like Zurich is a great scenery, keep up the good work.
Good night
Henry
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I can confirm we just finished uploading corrected installers both for the Stand-Alone Addon Manager and for the full Chicago OHare for FS9.
So, if you downloaded the installers after 12:05 AM (CET) of today 14 March, you already have a fixed version that should work
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Are you sure this works with Vista 64bit as well? Here's my setup:
Vista Ultimate 64bit
Fs9.exe (SP1) patched for >2GB
Dep off with "bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff"
Setup_adonmanager.exe V1.50
When addonmanager is installed, FS quits without showing any screens.
Uninstall addonmanager and fs starts normal again.
At this time I've uninstalled all cloud9 and fsdreamteam products.
Regards,
Gerhard
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Are you sure this works with Vista 64bit as well?
It should, although I must admit that Vista64 + FS9 + 2GB patch is a combination not many use and we might not have had the chance to test it. Note that in the system requirements for the FS9 version, we don't explicitly list Vista 64 bit as supported so, it might work or not, but we don't advertise it as a 64 bit compatible product. That's why we have Trials...
As explained in the thread dedicated to the >2GB patch, you need to patch a nocd version of the FS9.EXE. If you patch and original (with CD check) FS9.EXE for >2GB, then install any of our products, they will not work, regardless of the OS.
After patching a nocd FS9.EXE for >2GB, you will need to run the installer again, to let it auto-detect which version you have and install the correct version.
Also, be sure you download the installer again, the initial release contained a wrong file that caused FS to quit at start, it has been fixed in the meantime.
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Thank you for your reply Umberto,
Would you mind helping me understand the current situation correctly please?
1. If one uses the >2GB patch on the official FS9.exe (sp1), then the addonmanager will not work. This is regardles which operating system one is using.
2. If one uses a cracked version of the FS9.exe and applies the >2Gb patch, then your addonmanager works on Xp and Vista 32bit. If I'm lucky, it might even work on Vista 64bit.
Regards,
Gerhard
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Correct.
And each time you change or patch your FS9.EXE, you will need to run our installer, to give it the chance to detect which version of the FS9.EXE you have, and install the proper files.
The combination of FS9 + >2GB patch + original CD check EXE, will never work on any OS
None of this is relevant to FSX, both because FSX (starting with SP1) already officially supports >2GB, and because there's no CD protection on FSX to begin with
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Thank you Umberto, all is clear now.
[Edit]
I can confirm that the FS9 No CD check EXE + >2GB patch + Addonmanager works for Vista 64bit.
I just can't help wondering what Microsofts stance is on using the No cd FS9.exe?
Regards,
Gerhard
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I just can't help wondering what Microsofts stance is on using the No cd FS9.exe?
I don't think there should be any issues at all, for a 4+ years product like FS9, as long as you use it for personal use and having legally bought FS9.
Strictly speaking, since the whole issue is triggered only in conjunction with the >2GB patch, there's not much difference between this patch the the nocd patch: both are user modifications of a number of bytes in the original EXE file, so they are both legally questionable, if one wants to stay to the letter of the law.
That's why we don't replace your FS9.EXE, we don't even patch it, but simply have the installer reacting to the EXE you already have.
I guess one of the reasons why Microsoft moved away from the CD protection in FSX, is because it creates a lot of troubles, and more support issues with customers asking for a replacement disk, due to the possible added wear because of the protection requirement.
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Thanks again for your answer Umberto!
If I remember correctly the modification of the fs9.exe also came up in Phil Taylor's blog when the OOM errors were explained. I think this even led to ACES applying the >2gb on FSX. Well, I'm happy I can use my products again. Thanks.
Regards,
Gerhard
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An update I'd like to share with users;
After turning off DEP via the "bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff" command, FSUIPC version 3.80 had intermittent troubles with the code signature problem as Pete Dowson refers to over here http://forums.simflight.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67994&sid=7879e832f7c81a4a3edfff71f4f28c13 (http://forums.simflight.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67994&sid=7879e832f7c81a4a3edfff71f4f28c13) and therefore FSUIPC was not working. After turning DEP back on via the "bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx optin" command all is well. FSdreamteam, Cloud9, and FSUIPC are all working.
Regards,
Gerhard
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Just a quick recap about DEP about our products:
- The FS9 version that works with the FS9.EXE with CD protection, doesn't work if DEP is active
- The FS9 version that works with the nocd FS9.EXE works with either DEP settings
- The FSX version doesn't have any issues of this kind, and works with either DEP setting.
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Not sure if this is exactly what is causing the problem, but this works for me.
The problem seems to be seasonal, whenever I use Winter as a season, and it is during the "Day," the game simply quits. Winter and Night appear to work ok, except the railings on the jetways and on the baggage loaders turns to a gray rectangle. If used on Summer, O'Hare loads up just fine.
Again I really don't understand scenery modeling, but I do believe that there is some corrupt texture or .bgl file at fault here.
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how do I download and run the addon manager again? Where is the link to download the program? The only thing I've downloaded is the actual scenery installers. Do I have to run them again for each scenery?
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how do I download and run the addon manager again? Where is the link to download the program?
Each product page has links to downlod the Stand-Alone Addon Manager.
The only thing I've downloaded is the actual scenery installers
If you download the installers after the 15th March, they already include a fixed Addon Manager as well so, either you run again a scenery installer you already have, or you download the Stand-alone Addon Manager, it's the same thing.
Do I have to run them again for each scenery?
No, just only once.
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Hello FSDreamTeam Crew,
I have just ran into the same problem as the others were experiencing.
I use Vista 32bit with the nocd 9.1 patch but no 2GIG patch.
I downloaded and installed O'Hare yesterday but since then FS just quits without error message. I even tried to manually update the three files in the modules folder, but it didn't cure the problem. Only thing that helps is to uninstall the Addon Manager from the Start Menu.
Would be great if you could help me since I'm dying to have this scenery.
Regards, Manuel
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If you have fs9.1 nocd and no >2GB patch, that's a different issue. I've double checked again, but the file download from the server it's okay and it's confirmed to work.
Please, try this:
- Remove all files starting with bglman* in the MODULES folder. Should be 3 .DAT files and one .DLL.
- Install the Stand-alone Addon Manager for FS9.