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General Category => Screenshots => Topic started by: PUP4ORD on August 29, 2010, 08:14:15 pm
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Here's a new video, a short one AA 777-300 landing on RWY 32L Chicago O'Hare :)
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Sorry, but that landing was not good at ALL...The nose gear hit first and you landed almost off the runway. Keep trying, and with practice you'll get better. Watch videos of real landings to get the feel of the proper technique. You'll get better though
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A few suggestions:
1. Run your FS in full-screen.
2. Get rid of the red info at the top of the screen.
3. Tweak your FS so you get better frames or, if I remember correctly, find another program other than FRAPS. All I've heard about FRAPS is that it kills your frame rates.
4. Land better. :P Landing like that probably means you came in way too fast or, based on the rate of descent, you were about to stall. Remember, you can always go-around.
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Terrible :-[
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Landing like that probably means you came in way too fast or, based on the rate of descent, you were about to stall.
Hard to tell from spot view behind the aircraft, but it looks like he simply didn't flare. I made the other suggestions when he posted his DFW videos, guess he didn't follow them.
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I'll say this for sure, From the angle its hard to tell however I did not use autopilot to land the plane. :o I had to make proper trim adjustments before I even touchdown on the runway; You can't flare too much or else a tail strike is much likely to happen. I do have another video capture program,Hypercam but have not used it for over a year and never really much impressed with it.
BTW, my settings have been the same. :)
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A few suggestions:
1. Run your FS in full-screen.
2. Get rid of the red info at the top of the screen.
3. Tweak your FS so you get better frames or, if I remember correctly, find another program other than FRAPS. All I've heard about FRAPS is that it kills your frame rates.
4. Land better. :P Landing like that probably means you came in way too fast or, based on the rate of descent, you were about to stall. Remember, you can always go-around.
Its in full screen ;D
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I'll say this for sure, From the angle its hard to tell however I did not use autopilot to land the plane. :o I had to make proper trim adjustments before I even touchdown on the runway; You can't flare too much or else a tail strike is much likely to happen. I do have another video capture program,Hypercam but have not used it for over a year and never really much impressed with it.
BTW, my settings have been the same. :)
You're still not getting it though. I know you never used autopilot, it would have done a better job. When you fly, are you using a joystick ??? Because,YES you make trim adjustments, but the yoke/joystick is for controlling the elevators, which make your plane go up, down. Plus, YOU NEVER FLARED AT ALL....Are you using your keyboard to fly ??? If so, I suggest investing in a joystick.
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I'll say this for sure, From the angle its hard to tell however I did not use autopilot to land the plane. :o I had to make proper trim adjustments before I even touchdown on the runway; You can't flare too much or else a tail strike is much likely to happen. I do have another video capture program,Hypercam but have not used it for over a year and never really much impressed with it.
BTW, my settings have been the same. :)
You're still not getting it though. I know you never used autopilot, it would have done a better job. When you fly, are you using a joystick ??? Because,YES you make trim adjustments, but the yoke/joystick is for controlling the elevators, which make your plane go up, down. Plus, YOU NEVER FLARED AT ALL....Are you using your keyboard to fly ??? If so, I suggest investing in a joystick.
Yes I use a joystick ::) In of it self I the keyboard is used for certain functions but not control the plane going up and down.......
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Its in full screen ;D
Then why do we see the FSX menu at the top of your screen? ???
And you really need to start using things designed to help you fly better, like autopilot. Load in your ILS frequency and hit approach hold as soon as you lock on the localizer, about all you have to do is reduce airspeed and drop flaps and gear.
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I'll say this for sure, From the angle its hard to tell however I did not use autopilot to land the plane. :o I had to make proper trim adjustments before I even touchdown on the runway; You can't flare too much or else a tail strike is much likely to happen. I do have another video capture program,Hypercam but have not used it for over a year and never really much impressed with it.
BTW, my settings have been the same. :)
No, that is absolutely false. You can still flare quite a bit before you are in danger of having a tailstrike. And for proof of that, see this video of a real 777 landing:
Notice there is quite a bit of distance between the nose wheel and the ground and the tail and the ground. That is a proper landing. Landing nose wheel first like you did is dangerous. And you don't have to set the autopilot like Bruce said. I hand fly almost all of my approaches and none of them look like that. I do load the ILS freq. though. But I still think you are coming in way too fast and that is your problem. Of course, I can't say for sure but that is just my guess.
And regarding it being in full screen, no it isn't. Full screen means the menu bar isn't visible. You have it in windowed mode but maximized as much as it can be.
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And you don't have to set the autopilot like Bruce said. I hand fly almost all of my approaches...
That is your personal preference. Personally, the flight deck is busy enough during approach, and you should use what Boeing and Microsoft gave you. I still recommend that Ken use the AP for his.
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And you don't have to set the autopilot like Bruce said. I hand fly almost all of my approaches...
That is your personal preference. Personally, the flight deck is busy enough during approach, and you should use what Boeing and Microsoft gave you. I still recommend that Ken use the AP for his.
Oh, of course. I never said you shouldn't use autopilot but you don't have to. Many pilots I've heard from like hand flying if their airline's SOP allow it and the weather is clear and winds are calm. (After all, they spent years and tons of money learning how to hand fly a plane, why not use that skill?) And I agree, it might be better for Ken to use the autopilot until he has more practice, especially if you are going to try and take a video of it.
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Let me clear a few things, I do use the autopilot and program the ILS settings during the approach; I also like to fly the plane without the autopilot from time to time making precise movements on the joystick. As for the landing, I know it might be hard to tell in the video however you DON'T see any sparks coming from the plane but what you do see is the normal smoke cloud when the landing gear touches down on runway. ;)
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Let me clear a few things, I do use the autopilot and program the ILS settings during the approach; I also like to fly the plane without the autopilot from time to time making precise movements on the joystick. As for the landing, I know it might be hard to tell in the video however you DON'T see any sparks coming from the plane but what you do see is the normal smoke cloud when the landing gear touches down on runway. ;)
Oh my god...your killing me. If you insist on flying in an unrealistic manner, fine, no one is stopping you. But seeing sparks compared to smoke means nothing. You touched down hard on your nose gear. In real life, your nose gear would have been at risk of collapsing if you landed on it hard enough.
DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO I POSTED A LINK TO? THAT IS A NORMAL LANDING. WHAT YOU DID ISN'T.
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Let me clear a few things, I do use the autopilot and program the ILS settings during the approach; I also like to fly the plane without the autopilot from time to time making precise movements on the joystick. As for the landing, I know it might be hard to tell in the video however you DON'T see any sparks coming from the plane but what you do see is the normal smoke cloud when the landing gear touches down on runway. ;)
Oh my god...your killing me. If you insist on flying in an unrealistic manner, fine, no one is stopping you. But seeing sparks compared to smoke means nothing. You touched down hard on your nose gear. In real life, your nose gear would have been at risk of collapsing if you landed on it hard enough.
DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO I POSTED A LINK TO? THAT IS A NORMAL LANDING. WHAT YOU DID ISN'T.
I have now watch the video of the AIR FRANCE 777-300 landing and I have to it was very nice. By no means do I fly in a manner that just plain dangerous. I do fly other planes in particular the Lear Jet 45 which I have flown without autopilot as well. I have no problem taking advice, In the end I going to have to learn for myself.
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Let me clear a few things, I do use the autopilot and program the ILS settings during the approach; I also like to fly the plane without the autopilot from time to time making precise movements on the joystick. As for the landing, I know it might be hard to tell in the video however you DON'T see any sparks coming from the plane but what you do see is the normal smoke cloud when the landing gear touches down on runway. ;)
Oh my god...your killing me. If you insist on flying in an unrealistic manner, fine, no one is stopping you. But seeing sparks compared to smoke means nothing. You touched down hard on your nose gear. In real life, your nose gear would have been at risk of collapsing if you landed on it hard enough.
DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO I POSTED A LINK TO? THAT IS A NORMAL LANDING. WHAT YOU DID ISN'T.
I have now watch the video of the AIR FRANCE 777-300 landing and I have to it was very nice. By no means do I fly in a manner that just plain dangerous. I do fly other planes in particular the Lear Jet 45 which I have flown without autopilot as well. I have no problem taking advice, In the end I going to have to learn for myself.
Regarding the Air France landing, that actually wasn't "very nice." It was normal. That is a normal, everyday landing that hundreds of thousands of aircraft make everyday.
Landing that hard and nose wheel first IS dangerous. If you can't make a normal landing, go around. :P
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I've done that till I know the plane will land in one piece.
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In real life, your nose gear would have been at risk of collapsing if you landed on it hard enough.
Even in the sim, if crash detection is on, a nose wheel first landing will almost always collapse. ;)
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In real life, your nose gear would have been at risk of collapsing if you landed on it hard enough.
Even in the sim, if crash detection is on, a nose wheel first landing will almost always collapse. ;)
Ah, alright. I don't have a lot of experience in doing that. :P :D
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I've done that till I know the plane will land in one piece.
In reality the plane's gear would collapse and/pr the tires blowout and it would be a fiery crash, so the plane in no way would land in one piece. Also, if you use ILS, how come the plane wasn't NEARLY lined up with the centerline when you were "supposed" to flare?
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Ah, alright. I don't have a lot of experience in doing that. :P :D
Unfortunately, I do. :-[ I buried many a front wheel in the asphalt while learing to flare correctly.
Also, if you use ILS, how come the plane wasn't NEARLY lined up with the centerline..
I'm guessing he didn't dial in the runway course setting. ;)
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I normally do dial in the ILS course, In this case however I did the visual line up of RWY 32L. If you look at the video much closer at the top, You can see why I landed the way I did.
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Even if you don't flare at all you would never touch down nose first in a 777 because the final approach would always be with some degrees nose up. You would hit the concrete with the main landing gear first. Provided that you fly more or less with the correct approach speed.
So I think you didn't hit the right speed and additionally didn't flare. Not a big deal in a simulation. In real life the nose wheel would have collapsed for sure.
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I normally do dial in the ILS course, In this case however I did the visual line up of RWY 32L. If you look at the video much closer at the top, You can see why I landed the way I did.
Instrument Landing System
Doing the visual defeats most of the purpose of using the ILS...............THE ILS IS USED TO ALIGN THE PLANE WITH THE CENTER OF THE RUNWAY, and for CATIII and above, you are also able to perform an autoland procedure...
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lol....
In time buddy. I was once at your stage....