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Title: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 20, 2010, 08:42:45 pm
Hi I just installed and paid for GVA and Zurich

Every time I try to open FSX it crashes (A Fatal Error occured message comes up) HELP !!!

I run windows 7

Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 20, 2010, 09:03:17 pm
- Have you turned OFF your antivirus when installing the scenery and/or the updated Addon Manager ?

- Have you configured your Antivirus to ignore the following files, before trying to run FSX again ?

\Your_FSX_folder\fsdreamteam\Couatl\couatl.exe
\Your_FSX_folder\bglmanx.dll

- Have you seen the question about trusting the Addon Manager when you installed the new version ?

- Have you replied YES to that question ?

- Have you done the same for Couatl ?
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 20, 2010, 09:35:49 pm
yes to all
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 20, 2010, 10:21:38 pm
Have you tried to reboot Windows ? Have you tried launching FSX a couple of times ? What message do you see, exactly ?

If you see the message about a module might not safe to run, just ignore it and ALLOW the module to run anyway. Eventually, retry again after a Windows reboot.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 20, 2010, 10:30:33 pm
The message that I see is: A fatal error occurred


the details are:
Files that help describe the problem
C:\Users\Me\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\fdr.dat
C:\Users\Me\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\dll.xml

FSX will not work..it work perfect before I spent $64 on these two beautiful sceneries

HELP
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 20, 2010, 10:39:34 pm
The message that I see is: A fatal error occurred

There are not enough details on what program has crashed. You should also have something named "error signature".

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FSX will not work..it work perfect before I spent $64 on these two beautiful sceneries

The reason why all our products are available in Trial version, is that you can test their compatibility with your system BEFORE purchasing them. That they are sold as Try-before-buy, is clearly indicated on our Home page, and on every Info page of every scenery.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 20, 2010, 10:44:10 pm
worked fine on trial
 

GVA was perfect...could see the AI traffic....so was Zurich

After I paid and installed the serial (Auto on GVA and manually in ZRH) that is when everything started

now the fsx crashes ....
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 20, 2010, 10:48:56 pm
worked fine on trial

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After I paid and installed the serial (Auto on GVA and manually in ZRH) that is when everything started

now the fsx crashes ....

Sorry, but that's just not possible. There's no difference whatsoever in the program between Trial and Full version, nothing in the program changes, at all.

If it worked fine in the Trial, than the problem is caused by something else, and the fact that happened after you purchased the sceneries, is just a coincidence.

BTW, do you have the Error Signature details about which module has crashed, as I've asked in the previous message ?
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 20, 2010, 10:55:43 pm
GVA worked fine reinstalled the add on manager

rebooted twice now ZRH is working

Mille grazie
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 21, 2010, 10:53:26 pm
Unfortunately same thing

FSX starts for a minute then crashes
it is definitely the add on manager because if I replace the dll.xml and the exe.xml with the before the add one ones  ones then i am fine

any suggestions?

Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 21, 2010, 11:18:31 pm
it is definitely the add on manager because if I replace the dll.xml and the exe.xml with the before the add one ones  ones then i am fine

No, it's not the Addon Manager. It's something in your system that is *affecting* it.

Asking for the third time: do you have the Error Signature details about which module has crashed, as I've asked in the previous two messages ?
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 22, 2010, 02:59:54 pm
I understand you asked for the third time but I get no error signature

Just says fatal error and reboots

will try it again and see
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 22, 2010, 03:44:04 pm
Still fatal crash asfter fatal crash
No error message or signature is there a way to get it?

Please help I am desperate
It all started after the installtion of the beautiful scenary HELP
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP Anybody???
Post by: Makisxenat on February 27, 2010, 05:21:45 pm
Still FSX crashes
If I delete the add on manage all is well can anybody help PLEASE
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 27, 2010, 08:21:13 pm
There's another thread, where an user was able to fix the crash, by setting FSX to run into Vista sp2 compatibility mode.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 27, 2010, 08:32:49 pm
Thanks but I run windows 7

How can I do that
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 27, 2010, 08:33:36 pm
Right-click on the FSX.EXE executable, then select the Compatibility tab, and enable Vista sp2 compatibility.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 27, 2010, 08:46:58 pm
Thank you

Just did that FSX will not even start ...
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 27, 2010, 08:49:51 pm
Then sorry, I'm afraid your situation is different, and we don't have other explanation for it.

Try this:

- Go into Control Panel, remove the Addon Manager, if you have an entry for it. Otherwise, remove both sceneries.

- Go into the FSX folder, verify that ALL bglmanx.dll files AND all the bglmanx*.dat files have been really removed. If not, removed them manually.

- Reboot Windows. Yes, this IS important. Do it, please.

- Turn the Antivirus OFF. Yes, this IS important.

- Reinstall the Addon Manager (or the sceneries you removed). Don't run FSX yet.

- Configure the antivirus to ignore the following files:

YourFSXFolder\bglmanx.dll
YourFSXFolder\fsdreamteam\Couatl\couatl.exe

- Launch FSX. At the request to Trust the Addon Manager, reply YES, to both question, the one by Windows and the one by FSX itself.

- If you get the error the 3rd party module can't be loaded, IGNORE IT, and ALLOW it to run, regardless of what it says. Don't worry if FSX crashes after having issued that message. It doens't matter.

- Keep trying and, allow 20-30 seconds between each tries. If after 3-4 times it's always the same, REBOOT Windows and try again. Yes, this IS important, do it please.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 27, 2010, 09:06:25 pm
Thank you

However I managed to run it at compatibility for Vista SP 2 it took a very long time a reboot and still takes a long time to load ? however got the same fatal error

so frustrating

Will follow your directions, however I have two questions
1. shall I run it on Vista compatibilty?

2. All was fine after i reinstalled the addon manager today HOWEVER before the crashes started again I added a scenery and after that the problems started _I added My Traffic
Do you think it might have something to do with it?
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 27, 2010, 11:40:21 pm
Hi again
did all step by step

still fatal error
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 28, 2010, 01:21:39 am
Unistalled FSX
reinstalled everything -over 2 hours >:(
worked fine

installed add on manager and FSX has a fatal crash each times it starts...also made the display drivers (NVIDIA crash)
PC stats NVIDIA GE Force GT220 (1GB Mem)
Intel Core i5 cpu
6GB memory
Win 7 64 bit
HELP
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 01:28:18 pm
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installed add on manager and FSX has a fatal crash each times it starts...also made the display drivers (NVIDIA crash)

You are reading the issue backwards: it's not the Addon Manager that makes both FSX and the video drivers crashing, it's probably something in your Windows installation that cause the crash: there's no way the Addon Manager, which is a normal executabie (so it runs in the normal application space), can crash the video drivers, that runs on an entirely different privilege level.

If the problem is happening in Windows, reinstalling FSX will not fix it.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 28, 2010, 02:13:00 pm
Thanks

as i said it runs fine when i delete the addon manager....so no geneva and zurich scene for me I loved them

Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 02:22:37 pm
as i said it runs fine when i delete the addon manager....

As I've said, that doesn't mean much, something in Windows is *causing* the Addon Manager to crash, and the video driver (according to your report). And this makes FSX crashing because any .dll module that crashes, will make FSX crashes, regardless of the reason.

Your error is different from anyone else's because, according to your report, is a crash without any messages.

However, you should at least have seen the Windows crash window, that has an option to get additional details about the error. Do you have this ? What does it says ?
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 28, 2010, 03:01:35 pm
there is no message when it crashes

Is there somewhere where I can search,
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 03:05:19 pm
there is no message when it crashes

You said:

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Just says fatal error

If it says "fatal error", it means you are seeing a window with a message. This window should also have an option to get additional informations about the crash.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 28, 2010, 03:14:13 pm
I get no message and no option
I get a fatal crash screen saying windows is looking for additional information and then I get another message that FSX will start again

Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 03:22:09 pm
I get no message and no option

According to what you wrote in the following line, you DO get a message.

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I get a fatal crash screen saying windows is looking for additional information and then I get another message that FSX will start again

That's the message. Now we finally agree you DO get a message, you should have seen something like this:

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/WMP_Crash/wmperrorscrn.gif (http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/WMP_Crash/wmperrorscrn.gif)

Do you see the small arrow that allows you to enlarge the Window to read the error details ? Do you have it ?
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 28, 2010, 03:35:05 pm
I only get the Fatal crash then windows is looking to a solution
without the rest (all the other lines you normally get) which is mind blowing

Immediately after that I get a message that FSX restarts

Again sorry if I sound like a fool more of a mac person the only reason i bought a pc is because of the FSX and windows 7 is driving me insane

Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 03:39:55 pm
Again sorry if I sound like a fool more of a mac person the only reason i bought a pc is because of the FSX and windows 7 is driving me insane

I'm a mac user too, and I use Windows for FSX only (on a Mac...)

You might be able to find the error details in the Event Viewer. Open the Control Panel, select "System and Maintenance", select "Administrative Tools", and launch the Event Viewer.

You should be able to find the envent related to the FSX crash in the middle column, which contains all your system event.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: Makisxenat on February 28, 2010, 04:25:56 pm
Also I will be happy to pm you my gotomypc details if you wish...

This is driving me insane
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 04:33:14 pm
Ok, just send me a PM.
Title: Re: Fatal Error after installation of GVA and Zurich HELP!!!!!!!!
Post by: virtuali on February 28, 2010, 05:46:41 pm
For those interested: we found Makisxenat's problem ( I logged into his PC using GotoMyPc service ), and it was related to the issue with the Audio Environment product that was already discussed here:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=2805.0

Changing the loading order of the modules, solved the problem.