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FS9 support => Zurich scenery for FS9 => Topic started by: Swisspilot on October 27, 2007, 01:01:16 pm
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Hi there
First thank you for the outstanding Zurich Scenery. I am happy to find my homebase so real in the Flightsim now.
The only thing I am not happy with is the AFCAD.
In real life most part of time landings are done on RWY14 and take-off on RWY28 and 16. With this Afcad I only have the posibilty to use one runway (for take-off and landing). I tried to change this, but no success.
If I close one Runway, both take-off and landing are on RWY16 or RW14.
Any chance to change this?
Thank you!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Tks for your words,
This problem is adjustable with a trick but this solution is a work around not standard, and for a payware is not a good choose (the atc call the dummy runway created with this method, and many users report this same a bug), but for advanced user on next upgrade i have on list a alternative file afcad with this trick.
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Hi
As far as I know (maybe it has changed...) runways in use are this ones:
- 14 and 16 for landings
- 16 and 28 for take-offs
I am quite sure that 28 has also some visual or VORDME approaches, because I landed there in real life as well.
According to this, I have reworked the afcad in order to have all runways available. Some gates have big parking radius as well. That´s why some aircrafts had part of the wings inside buildings and so on... I just did some adjustments. If you like them, feel free to use this afcad. If you want to add aditional things feel free to do them. This is what I did in 10 minutes, so I am sure that much more things can be improved.
harpsi
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hi harpsi
thank you very much for this afcad. it is fantastic and i now have all 3 runways active. More than I excpected :-)
good job.
regards
patrick
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Hi
I can fill some spots as well if someone tells me exactly where every airline is parking. I don´t know how is zürich organized in terms of airlines and terminals. If dreamteam makes an update of the scenery (if necessary) and they want to make this, an official afcad as well (with more improvements of course), it is no problem. I already did the afcad files of amsterdam and I did some improvements for cloud 9 as well, so it is always a pleasure to make those things ;D
The winds ate zürich, as far as I know are normally not too strong, so, the runways which appear at the left side of the runway list are the ones to be used. At least I don´t expect runways 10, 32 and 34 for any operation. I tested it during 1 hour and everything was working like real life. I decided to open 28 for landing as well, because maybe once a time an aircraft will land there. Until now I didn´t see any but it may happen, which is exactly what happens in real life. :)
harpsi
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Hi harpsi
thank you for your work :D
Alessandro.
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Hi
Thank you very much. Maybe we can improve this afcad if you tell me exactly where airlines are parking. I will make a list of them according to ultimate traffic available ones and some more that I added.
- These ones exist already in the Ultimate Traffic tool:
Adria
Aebal
Aer Lingus
Aeroflot
Air Baltic
Air Berlin
Air Canada
Air France
Air Mali International
Air Malta
Air Mauritius
Alitalia Express
American Airlines
American Falcon S.A.
Austrian Airlines
Blue1
BMI regional
Braathens ASA
British Airways
Cirrus Airlines
City Airline
City Jet
Continental
Croatia Airlines
Cyprus
Czech Airlines (CSA)
Darwin Airline
Delta
El Al
Emirates
European Air Express
Eurowings
Finnair
Flyniki
Germanwings
Hamburg International
Hapag Lloyd Express
Helvetic Airyways
Iberia
JAT Airways
KLM cityhopper
KLM
Korean Air
LOT
Lufthansa Cityline
Lufthansa
Malaysia Airlines
Malev
MAT - Makedonian Airlines
Montenegro Airlines
Nouvelair
OLT
Portugalia
Privatair
Pulkovo Enterprise
Qatar Airways
Royal Air Maroc
Royal Jordanian
SAS
Singapore Airlines
Spanair
Sun Express
Swiss
Swiss European
TAP Portugal
Thai
Tunisair
Turkish Airlines
Tyrolean (Austrian Arrows)
Ukraine International
United Airlines
- These ones I added later after seeing FP in FS websites and photos from airlines.net:
Axis Airways
Air Adriatic
Air Bosna
AMC Aviation
Atlant- Soyuz
Belair
Clickair
Dubrovnik Airline
Edelweiss
Freebird
GIRjet
Onur Air
Pegasus
Robin Hood Aviation
Shorouk Air (I think this one is not operating any more)
Swiftair
UAE Cargo
So, in conclusion, try to find where all these ones park and step by step I can fill the spots which belong to those.
harpsi
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ASIR Page 1, 10 OCT 06:
"LDG-RWY RESTRICTION
MON - FRI:
05-0607: LDG RWY 34.
0608-1959: LDG RWY 14 or 16.
20-0459: LDG RWY 28.
Other RWYs may only be used due to OPS or MET reasons.
SAT - SUN, HOL:
05-0807: LDG RWY 34.
0808-1859: LDG RWY 14 or 16.
19-0459: LDG RWY 28.
Other RWYs may only be used due to OPS or MET reasons.
TKOF RWY RESTRICTION
BTN 06-1959 TKOF shall normally be mad on RWY 28.
When TKOF RWY 28 not possible RWY 10, 34, 32 or 16 shall be used.
BTN 20-0559 all jet ACFT TKOF are to be made on RWY 32 or 34.
BTN 20-0559 TKOF on RWY 34 shall be executed from interseciton with TWY R8 unless whole RWY length is required for safety reasons."
Greez
Fred Nikles
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Hallo
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Soory
Work this AFCAD in the FSX too?
Thk Peter
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ASIR Page 1, 10 OCT 06:
"LDG-RWY RESTRICTION
MON - FRI:
05-0607: LDG RWY 34.
0608-1959: LDG RWY 14 or 16.
20-0459: LDG RWY 28.
Other RWYs may only be used due to OPS or MET reasons.
SAT - SUN, HOL:
05-0807: LDG RWY 34.
0808-1859: LDG RWY 14 or 16.
19-0459: LDG RWY 28.
Other RWYs may only be used due to OPS or MET reasons.
TKOF RWY RESTRICTION
BTN 06-1959 TKOF shall normally be mad on RWY 28.
When TKOF RWY 28 not possible RWY 10, 34, 32 or 16 shall be used.
BTN 20-0559 all jet ACFT TKOF are to be made on RWY 32 or 34.
BTN 20-0559 TKOF on RWY 34 shall be executed from interseciton with TWY R8 unless whole RWY length is required for safety reasons."
Greez
Fred Nikles
Hi
Well, very useful and thank you very much for your information.
Unfortunately we can not have different afcads for different times of the day, but mixing all your useful information, it tells me that:
- For landing we have 14, 16, 34 and 28. With my little improvements, all 4 are available.
- For takeoff we have 10, 28, 32 and 34. Only 32 is closed for TO, because otherwise I would have a lot of aircrafts taking off from 14 as well (both sides need to be opened as you know). Being 16 a longer runway than 16 I am sure that our inteligent aircrafts may prefer 16 to depart, but to prevent any conflicts and strange things, better to close both sides for TO. ;D
In 95 % of the time, I am quite sure that 14 and 14 are the main runways for landing and maybe 28 from a few ones, and 28 as well as 16 are the main runways for take off. With the afcad system we have another problem. The afcad shows in the runway description:
- 14/32
- ... (all intermediate runways of the star system)
- 16/34
- ... (all intermediate runways of the star system)
- ... (all intermediate runways of the star system)
- 28/10
Why this? If I would write 10/28 and not 28/10, aircrafts would use 10, 14 and 16, or in the opposite way, 28, 32, 34.
Now, they use 14,16 and 28 and they cover a large "angle" for wind settings, maybe from 80 or 90 degrees to 320 or 330 which is almost what should happen in real life (I don´t know LSZH very well, but it will be not so much different than what I am saying). Even with different angles, they are at the same time not strong, and when they don´t pass 10 knots, FS can choose the best way to solve it. For the rest of the "angle" which maybe happens quite a few times, the simulator would choose the opposite system (10, 32 and 34). Since 32 is closed for landing it would be choosen for TO and 34 for both operations. Runway 10 maybe for TO since there is an ILS at 34 and aircrafts would prefer ILS than visual approach. That´s my easiest explanation of the star system built like that and not in other way.
harpsi
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Soory
Work this AFCAD in the FSX too?
Thk Peter
Hi
I never used FSX and I don´t know how it works. Well, just try. Maybe FS dream time can explain that one for me as well. :)
If needed and if the afcad tool is the same, maybe someone from the team can send me just the FSX afcad and I can make those little improvements, the same work as I did to the FS9 afcad. ;D
And don´t forget the airlines for me if someone can handle that as well.
harpsi
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so when will this new afcad file be avalible ? ;-)
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so when will this new afcad file be avalible ? ;-)
The "new" afcad is already available in my first post. It just needs some more improvements about the parking spots but the major improvements are already there: the star system with all runways available and some little adjustments on parking spots and taxiways.
harpsi
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Unfortunately we can not have different afcads for different times of the day, but mixing all your useful information, it tells me that:
- For landing we have 14, 16, 34 and 28. With my little improvements, all 4 are available.
- For takeoff we have 10, 28, 32 and 34. Only 32 is closed for TO, because otherwise I would have a lot of aircrafts taking off from 14 as well (both sides need to be opened as you know). Being 16 a longer runway than 16 I am sure that our inteligent aircrafts may prefer 16 to depart, but to prevent any conflicts and strange things, better to close both sides for TO. ;D
Correct but for the bit on runway 32. 32 is worked when 28 is landing runway or if traffic allows.
In 95 % of the time, I am quite sure that 14 and 14 are the main runways for landing and maybe 28 from a few ones, and 28 as well as 16 are the main runways for take off. With the afcad system we have another problem. The afcad shows in the runway description:
Main landing runway is indeed 14, closely followed by 28 these days and 34. As you say, the problem is with daily times. There are pretty much defined patterns for different configurations, but if we can't define that in AFCAD, then there is not much point in discussing it.
Generally:
Main configuration: 14 is main landing runway with 16 and 28 take off runways
DVO 28: 28 is main landing runway (it's got an ILS now btw) and 32 and 34 take off runways.
DVO 34: 34 is main landing runways, take offs on 32, 28 and 34.
Normally, DVO 28 is in use in the evening after 9pm local weekdays and 8pm on sat/sun, DVO 34 is in use from 6 to 7 on weekdays and from 6 to 9 on weekends. If DVO 28 does not work due to met limitations, DVO 34 is used and normal config if CAT II/III conditions prevail.
Now, they use 14,16 and 28 and they cover a large "angle" for wind settings, maybe from 80 or 90 degrees to 320 or 330 which is almost what should happen in real life (I don´t know LSZH very well, but it will be not so much different than what I am saying). Even with different angles, they are at the same time not strong, and when they don´t pass 10 knots, FS can choose the best way to solve it. For the rest of the "angle" which maybe happens quite a few times, the simulator would choose the opposite system (10, 32 and 34). Since 32 is closed for landing it would be choosen for TO and 34 for both operations. Runway 10 maybe for TO since there is an ILS at 34 and aircrafts would prefer ILS than visual approach. That´s my easiest explanation of the star system built like that and not in other way.
harpsi
I wish it was but it isn't. Landing and departure runways at ZRH are basically politically assigned. Only if limits on tailwind or visibility demand a change, then you have a chance to do it as you say. Since the introduction of the DVO (Deutsche Verordnung) which limits the traffic to 16/14, things have deteriorated from bad to worse.
Best regards
Urs
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Sorry my ignorance, where do I put that AFCAD File?
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Sorry my ignorance, where do I put that AFCAD File?
Inside the scenery folder: FsDreamTeam\Zurich\scenery.
harpsi
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Quote from: harpsi on Today at 02:03:43 PM
Unfortunately we can not have different afcads for different times of the day, but mixing all your useful information, it tells me that:
- For landing we have 14, 16, 34 and 28. With my little improvements, all 4 are available.
- For takeoff we have 10, 28, 32 and 34. Only 32 is closed for TO, because otherwise I would have a lot of aircrafts taking off from 14 as well (both sides need to be opened as you know). Being 16 a longer runway than 16 I am sure that our inteligent aircrafts may prefer 16 to depart, but to prevent any conflicts and strange things, better to close both sides for TO.
Correct but for the bit on runway 32. 32 is worked when 28 is landing runway or if traffic allows.
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In 95 % of the time, I am quite sure that 14 and 14 are the main runways for landing and maybe 28 from a few ones, and 28 as well as 16 are the main runways for take off. With the afcad system we have another problem. The afcad shows in the runway description:
Main landing runway is indeed 14, closely followed by 28 these days and 34. As you say, the problem is with daily times. There are pretty much defined patterns for different configurations, but if we can't define that in AFCAD, then there is not much point in discussing it.
Generally:
Main configuration: 14 is main landing runway with 16 and 28 take off runways
DVO 28: 28 is main landing runway (it's got an ILS now btw) and 32 and 34 take off runways.
DVO 34: 34 is main landing runways, take offs on 32, 28 and 34.
Normally, DVO 28 is in use in the evening after 9pm local weekdays and 8pm on sat/sun, DVO 34 is in use from 6 to 7 on weekdays and from 6 to 9 on weekends. If DVO 28 does not work due to met limitations, DVO 34 is used and normal config if CAT II/III conditions prevail.
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Now, they use 14,16 and 28 and they cover a large "angle" for wind settings, maybe from 80 or 90 degrees to 320 or 330 which is almost what should happen in real life (I don´t know LSZH very well, but it will be not so much different than what I am saying). Even with different angles, they are at the same time not strong, and when they don´t pass 10 knots, FS can choose the best way to solve it. For the rest of the "angle" which maybe happens quite a few times, the simulator would choose the opposite system (10, 32 and 34). Since 32 is closed for landing it would be choosen for TO and 34 for both operations. Runway 10 maybe for TO since there is an ILS at 34 and aircrafts would prefer ILS than visual approach. That´s my easiest explanation of the star system built like that and not in other way.
harpsi
I wish it was but it isn't. Landing and departure runways at ZRH are basically politically assigned. Only if limits on tailwind or visibility demand a change, then you have a chance to do it as you say. Since the introduction of the DVO (Deutsche Verordnung) which limits the traffic to 16/14, things have deteriorated from bad to worse.
Best regards
Urs
Well. Thank you very much for your information. It seems that Zurich changed a lot since 3 or 4 years ago. ;D ;D ;D
Let me see what can I do with this afcad. Maybe I can do 2 more afcads for DVO28 and DVO34 but then you will have the same problem as Amsterdam: you need to change afcad and close the simulator if you are making a flight on the transition times... But if you want it, I can try.
harpsi
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Hi
Ok. I found the best way with that problem of closing the sim if you want to change times. I will do another afcad with the other way arround which is the star system built like this: 10/28 + 14/32 + 16/34.
Then you have two afcads: the one I adjusted used for most part of the day, where 16 is also opened for landing as well as few landings on runway 28, maybe more if the ILS is added, and another one which will cover at the same time DVO28 + DVO34. This one will have 14/32 opened only for TO because in both DVO28 and DVO34, runway 32 is only used for TO, and the other two runways will be opened for both operations. Depending on the time, you may closed the one you want from the other two, for one operation only, with the afcad tool. Do you want that as well? I can do that and this one is much easier to do comparing with the first one. ;d
harpsi
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Hi
Urs, try these ones for now, More improvements are needed, but let´s finish with the star system first. You have two afcads, one of them is the "normal" one. The other afcad joins the two DVO operations: DVO28 and DVO34. To avoid making two afcads, just close the sides of the runways you want to choose between DVO34 and DVO28. When you close one runway for landing for example, you must close the other side of the runway as well for landing.
This is just for now. We can take care about parking places after.
The ILS 28 was added and I changed both ILS 34 and 16 because they were wrong coded. It is the way arround.
If you open both afcads you will see that the main difference stays in the order of the star system. That changes everything about AI behaviour times dependent.
harpsi
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Thanks a lot. Seems like we are posting at the same time :D
I'll look at it, get back to you. I work with FS X at the moment so I can tell you if it works.
Best regards
Urs
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Yes, true. ;D ;D ;D
There is a lot of traffic at LSZH, so you just need to try 5 or 10 minutes for each one, just to organize the traffic and to see what are the expected landings and take offs. I will not try the second afcad (DVO). You can try and I am making the necessary changes.
harpsi
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Correct parking Positions in Zurich are:
Swiss Int. 319,320,321 at Gate 1 (A)
Swiss Heavies 330+340 at Midfield
Swiss European Avros at Stand near Cargo by begin Rwy28 and near Gate 1.
All other Heavies at Midfield
All Star Alliance Airlines from EUROPE at gate 1
All other Star Allicances Heavies at Midfield
GATE 2(B) in NOT in Operation!!!!!! The Aircrafts are there only of space reasons. They comming with the pushback truck and waiting there for the next flight. for boarding the pushbacktruck returns them again to Midfield.
All Aircraft like:
British Airways, Finnair Clickair Belair Turkish Croatia Airlines El Al Flyniki Germanwings KLM Privatair Sunexpress are at Midfield to.
Air France is just behind Gate B.
Iberia, Ukraine, Helvetic, Hello, these Airlines are a little more behind Gate 2. (Sector C)
Thats all.
If you have more questions, going to ask it!
Regards Till
PS: I search an AFCAD with correct Runways (16,14,28) have you one?
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Hi
I already sent you an email.
About the P.S., yes, the two afcads above are done in that way. :)
Two questions:
1. What do you mean by gate 1 or 2? Is is terminal 1 or terminal 2?
2. Gate 2 is not in operation? Well, but it is not possible to simulate aircrafts which are going with the pushback truck to other locations in the airport...
harpsi
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Hello
1. Yes i meant Terminal - sorry.
2. yes i know. so i would say the best is to delete these positions, because there are also times, where there are no aircrafts....
What do you mean?
Regards
Till
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FINALLY!!!! Finally there is Zurich, one of my home airports, in FS.
harpsi,
I believe you are more patient and more knowledgeable than I am when it comes to doing the "invisible runway trick", so I let you go ahead with that. I trust you're such a good job as you did with EHAM. One of the posts above summarized very well the different constellations ("DVOs") - this does indeed call for several AFCADs, people will then need to decide which time of day they're flying into or out of ZRH.
As for the gates, ZRH is tricky, because
1. some gates can be either used by one large plane or two small planes - AFCAD must decide
2. as explained above, some longhaul planes that have a longer overlay in ZRH are towed to stands B31-39. However, pax disembarking and embarking always happens at Dock Midfield (E gates)
But I can give you some hints, about where planes are parked and how to deal with the "overlay stands".
Gate assignments first. The best is to refer to a parking map of LSZH, such as the one from Navigraph or this one http://www.swissfir.org/downloads/charts/LSZH/LSZH_GND_FreeZ.pdf:
Terminal A, stands A42-A59
Caution: these gates could be used by large planes, in which case gates number A42 and higher would be used. But: this terminal is now used exclusively for shorthaul planes, which means that gates in use are A42, A44, A02, A04, A08, A10, A03, A05, A07, A09, A49, A11, A13, A15, A17, A57. Like that, more planes can be parked. There should be airbridges for all these gates.
Airlines/planes using these gates:
- Swiss A319, A320, A321, some Avros (never more than two or three)
- Lufthansa Airbus, Boeing 737, some Avros (never more than two or three)
- Other European Star Alliance mainline jets: TAP Airbus, Austrian Airbus, SAS Boeing + MD-80s, Spanair MD-80s, Croata A319
- Sometimes the larger of the Austrian/Tyrolean Fokkers: F100, F70
Terminal B and stands C, tarmac stands B2-B5, C11-C22
As described above
- Air France/Cityjet Avros
- Iberia and the other airlines mentioned above
Tarmac stands D and G
Stands D01-D08 are used by these airlines when gates B2-B5 and C11-C22 are full. After that it is stands G.
Gates T
This is the maintenance area, used primarily by Swiss, but sometimes other airlines also bring their planes to Zurich. However, these planes typically wouldn't be in the FS AI traffic flightplans.
Gates W
Used by some of the larger corporate jets or planes of visiting heads of state.
Gates F - use diagonal gates numbered F70 and higher
Used by Swiss' Avros
Gates H and I use diagonal gates numbered I90 and higher
Used by
- Swiss Avros
- Lufthansa Avros and CRJs
- Helvetia's F100s
- Tyrolean/Austrian regional jets, i.e. Fokkers and Dashs
- Adria Airways CRJs
- Croatia Airlines ATR
Dock Midfield, Gates E
All other airlines
Two distinct parts here:
1. Longhaul planes typically on the Western end of the Terminal, i.e. gates E19-E47. Airlines from the US typically at the most Western of these gates
2. Shorthaul planes always on the Eastern end of the Terminal, i.e. gates E50 and above. Again, these are smaller planes, so you can use the gate numbers written in the smaller boxes of the plan. (Although I ignore what has been done by the scenery designers in terms of airbridges). BTW: Swiss uses the E gates only for longhaul, so there are almost never any Swiss A319, A 320 and A321 at the E gates.
Now, for the "layover gates" B31-B39:
As these are only used when planes aren't about to leave, I'd do the following:
1. Create "heavy" gates at B31-B39 (radius 43 meters)
2. Put them at the end of the parking list, so they get planes only after other gates have got planes
3. Code them "XXX XXX XXX XXX XXX SIA THA MAS QTR" - this will make sure that planes of these companies only get parked here if "their" gate at Midfield Dock is taken by another plane. This will be the case when another plane leaves before these ones. This is realistic, as it implies that the SIA, THA, etc planes are still around for some time until they depart.
This usually works very well for me at other complex airports (e.g. CDG).
I am looking forward to your work!
If you want, e-mail me your AFCAD with the runways fixed, I could then take care of the gate assignments. I usually do heavy testing (taking a plane in observation mode, and then trying every 30 minutes of a typical day).
Best
Mozart
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1. some gates can be either used by one large plane or two small planes - AFCAD must decide
You have no choice to let the simulator choose for you. If you let two small aircrafts, then maybe a big jet will occupy the gate in the middle of the two and you have wings from both; so, better to choose before if we will have two gates or just one in that space
About the overnight, well, it is impossible to simulate that situation. You can not take the aircrafts to board passengers with a pushback truck to another terminal. I wish it could be like that but it is impossible... ;D ;D
Let me study your very well done explanation. Can you write me as well? My email is harpsinuno@hotmail.com. You can send me your afcad and then I can study all these things. Tks.
harpsi
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Hi
One thing about DVO operations. The afcad is built in the good way which is with a different order of the star system. However, it is almost impossible to get 28, 32 and 34 in use, instead of 10, 14 and 16. I tried to invert the runways as well, but no way: aircrafts will always use 10, 14 and 16. I will try to set the winds heavier to see what happens. Of course I am using real weather with active sky, which means that you will almost never have strong winds...
harpsi
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Hi
Even before some help from users who wrote me, I created this afcad, following some indications from them. I made a lot of adjustments:
- more nodes, since traffic sometimes stopped here and there, and maybe it helps
- adjustments on the headings of some parking positions as well as parking radius
- many parked positions renumbered and added
- star system for multiple runway usage:
>>>>> Takeoff: 16 and 28
>>>>> Landing: 14, 16 and 28
- airlines added to most part of the spots
- ILS 28 added and ILS 16 and 34 corrected
One thing: forget the DVO afcad for now. I tried both ways and it is very difficult to force aircrafts to land or take off on runways 28, 32 and 34. They will choose 10, 14 and 16 with this afcad star system configuration. Is it better to have just one where you have 14, 16 and 28 in use and it works perfectly. Otherwise this is the main configuration for almost 95 % of the time.
Try this one. If you have suggestions don´t hesitate to contact me or two post here. I tried this afcad for 30 minutes and I loaded the simulator at different times for more than 50 times and it seems to work. :)
harpsi
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Hello everybody.
harpsi I just downloaded your AFCAD file and modified it a little bit for parking codes.
Everithing is working find. Thanks for this great AFCAD which bring more realisme to this beautiful scenery.
My "probleme" is that all heavies airplanes take-off from RWY 28 and small airplanes take RWY 16... Is-it possibe ton invert this thing ???
In real life we see the heavies taking-off from 16 most of the time while regionnal jets take RWY 28.
Thanks a lot for your help.
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Hi
About your problem, you know that runway 28 is much closer to the aprons than runway 16. That´s why airplanes will choose that runway for TO. I will make runway 28 shorter, something arround 6000 or 6500 feet maximum. With this lenght, landings and TOs on runway 28 will happen less times and light aircrafts will be the main clients on this runway.
Send me your parking codes to harpsinuno@hotmail.com. Tks.
harpsi
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Well, try change by runways... to smale/short Runways 28/10!
Sebastian
Berlin, Germany
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Hi
Try this one.
I shortened runway 28. Now, it has 6500 feet. It is mainly used for CRJ, ERJ, Fokker, saab, dornier, ATR, Avros, B737 and general aviation. I think it is more than enough.
I will make a new topic after all these afcads, when I can finally find a very good one. We are almost near ;)
harpsi
P.S.: after cimber´s good request :D
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Hi again
I tried now to avoid crossings in some nodes, to let traffic flow even more. Taxiway F is now for inbound and E for outbound for about 95 % of the traffic, since it didn´t happen so much in all previous afcads. Of course all other issues are solved. With this 3 or 4 places in which apron lines cross each other, it may happen that one or two times if you have a lot of traffic, there are colisions from the aircrafts coming from runway 16 after landing and the ones taxxing to the holding point of runway 16 via taxiway E. It happened two or three times to me in 2 or 3 hours of experience. Runway 28 has now 6400 feet. About landings on runway 28, you may expect all the aircraft types mentioned in the post before, plus A319 and maybe A320 or 321. I saw them landing as well.
I see that there are some downloads of the afcad files, but I don´t see any comments. I hope to see them, because otherwise is difficult to see if this work is having results. You may try this afcad. I removed the one before.
harpsi
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;D ;D ;D
Here is the queue to runway 16
harpsi
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Just tested harpsi's file: really great work!! ;)
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Just tested harpsi's file: really great work!! ;)
Good that you like it ;D
I am waiting for more comments. I would like to know if it is working more or less like in real life.
harpsi
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good work.. only one thing... its radio freq. Everybody is speaking in the freq 118.100 being on the ground or approach. Maybe we should change it around for example 121.900
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Hi
But this has nothing to do with the afcad or am I wrong? Are you talking about ATC?
harpsi
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yeah. i dont know much of this.. just though as it gives in the afcad program the freq and u can een change it. So i dont know... ???
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Hi
I don´t think that ground frequencies have anything to do with the afcad work. This is maybe something for an ATC forum. But somebody can correct me if I am wrong.
harpsi
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I thought, it can be changed by the frequencies list in AFCAD. ???
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By the way, harpsi, I really appreciate your work. I wish I could deal with the crosswind method. Many thanks for your AFCAD!!!! :) :) :)
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Hi
Well, heliosair wrote about people talking, so maybe I thought he was talking about ATC or online flying (vatsim or ivao). Well, anyway I can change those frequencies as well. ;D
harpsi
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Hi
Here it is. Frequencies and afcad. ;D
harpsi
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i mean does this affect FS ATC freq?
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i mean does this affect FS ATC freq?
Well. I don´t use the ATC from FS. I just fly online. BUt anyway those are the right frequencies for all Zurich area.
harpsi
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Thank you for the update. It seems to become much better. What I don't like is,that I still have all the heavy Swiss Traffic (A330 and A340) standing on Terminal 1 and Gates C and D.
Swiss heavies must stand on Dock E Midfield. If this could be modified, it would be great.
Thanks for the good work.
Best Regards
Patrick
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Hi
It is possible of course, but I don´t think you can have all heavies at dock E. For example at this moment I have the simulator opened and there are 8 swiss heavies at the airport. Probably more will come because some of them coming from americas and so on, will arrive in the morning. There are only 10 gates where the 330 and 340 can park at terminal E, and of course I am not counting all the other big jets from other airlines. Maybe it is too little... Some of them will go to gate G and to the gate B as well (B31-39).
But it is done. Here it is. Try and make comments please.
harpsi
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Hello
great work with the afcad, :)
just wondering, the ATC doesnt recognize the new IZW ils rwy 28, its still "visual approach" is it possible to make the ATC (the default fs9 atc) to recognize it ?
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Hello
great work with the afcad, :)
just wondering, the ATC doesnt recognize the new IZW ils rwy 28, its still "visual approach" is it possible to make the ATC (the default fs9 atc) to recognize it ?
Good question. I don´t use FS ATC so I don´t know how to do that. Anyway, maybe because of the fact that it doesn´t come with the stock file it is difficult to have it in that way. I accept suggestions from everybody.
harpsi
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I had the same probleme on the LFSB scenery, we have here now a new ILS on RWY 34 but it's not recognized by FS9 ATC services.
French friends told me that you must also edit an .xml file into FS9 (don't know where) to make it useful into FS9.
If somebody has more informations...
Best regards.
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I had the same probleme on the LFSB scenery, we have here now a new ILS on RWY 34 but it's not recognized by FS9 ATC services.
French friends told me that you must also edit an .xml file into FS9 (don't know where) to make it useful into FS9.
If somebody has more informations...
Best regards.
Well. If this work upgrades to an xml file, then I don´t know how to solve it. Jim Vile at the projectAI foruns is the specialist for that kind of things.
Anyway, maybe it is not important to be worried about one runway that is almost never used. This afcad is prepared to be used with runways 14, 16 and 28 during 99 % of the time. It will be very unlucky if you have the winds in some way that obligates you to use 10, 32 and 34.
But I didn´t understand: do you have this problem with Zurich or just Basel?
harpsi
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I have this probleme on Basel.
The preceding post just remember me this little trick.
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Hi
It is possible of course, but I don´t think you can have all heavies at dock E. For example at this moment I have the simulator opened and there are 8 swiss heavies at the airport. Probably more will come because some of them coming from americas and so on, will arrive in the morning. There are only 10 gates where the 330 and 340 can park at terminal E, and of course I am not counting all the other big jets from other airlines. Maybe it is too little... Some of them will go to gate G and to the gate B as well (B31-39).
But it is done. Here it is. Try and make comments please.
harpsi
I'm experiencing "floating AI planes" using this latest AFCAD you uploaded.
AI planes land just fine, but they appear to be floating 5-10 metres above the ground.
Also, there appears to be two runway textures showing on RWY 14.
Any ideas?
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I'm experiencing "floating AI planes" using this latest AFCAD you uploaded.
AI planes land just fine, but they appear to be floating 5-10 metres above the ground.
Also, there appears to be two runway textures showing on RWY 14.
Any ideas?
Double afcads? Another scenery installed or mesh in that area?
harpsi
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Hello harpsi,
thank you very much for your work on the AFCAD!
Landed with winds 330/6 and FS9-ATC directed me to RWY16/14. I don´t know how you managed that but this is really nice :).
With the new Com-frequencies the ATIS is unavaiable on my system. I modified the AFCAD "ZURICH ATIS" to "LSZH" (I think for the ATIS it has to be that way), but this did not solve the problem. :-\
How does this work for other users of the AFCAD file?
Regards
Hans-Christian
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Hello harpsi,
thank you very much for your work on the AFCAD!
Landed with winds 330/6 and FS9-ATC directed me to RWY16/14. I don´t know how you managed that but this is really nice :).
With the new Com-frequencies the ATIS is unavaiable on my system. I modified the AFCAD "ZURICH ATIS" to "LSZH" (I think for the ATIS it has to be that way), but this did not solve the problem. :-\
How does this work for other users of the AFCAD file?
Regards
Hans-Christian
Well, about the winds question it is easy. If you know something about the star system, you have two ways to build it which is something about the order of the runways:
- if you write 10/28, 14/32 and 16/34, then AIs will use 10/14/16 or 28/32/34; ok, both combinations we don´t want them
- if you write then 14/32, 16/34 and then 28/10 instead of 10/28, then AIs will use: 14/16/28 or 32/34/10; the first combination is really nice, and the second combination we don´t want it; but since you have 14, 16 and 28 in use, you will have a lot of winds possible: with 330, AIs will choose 28, so then 14 and 16s well; winds 90 for example AIs will choose 14, so, 16 and 28 as well
About the second question of the ATIS, well, I don´t have any problem th AIs. They land, they takeoff and so on. Maybe you are talking about your own aircraft. Well, I didn´t try because I don´t use FS9 ATC, but anyway, if it is a name´s problem and it can not be solved, well, I must wait for ideas like you as well. :)
harpsi
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If you want to hear ATIS messages:
- LSZH instead of ZURICH ATIS, you're right, Hans-Christian;
- frequency should be 128.525 as it was initially instead of 128.520.
Cheers
Iouri
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If you want to hear ATIS messages:
- LSZH instead of ZURICH ATIS, you're right, Hans-Christian;
- frequency should be 128.525 as it was initially instead of 128.520.
Cheers
Iouri
I copied it from the vacc_sac website.They have 128.520 and not 128.525. Anyway here is a new one with all ZURICH words changed to LSZH as well as some minor changes. :)
harpsi
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When I say that it should be 128.525 (even if it's wrong) I mean it's the only way to have the ATIS for those who don't fly on-line and who (like me) don't know how to change the FS default frequencies. If somebody is smart enough to do it please, please, please... that would be great.
Iouri
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Hi
Well. I changed it anyway, so you have both afcads available. You can always modify the afcad yourself with the afcad tool. For me is not really needed because I only fly with online ATC,so I changed it for people who want that. ;)
harpsi
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Hi
Reworked version with some minor things improved specially parking places added. ;D
harpsi
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Hallo Harpsi
you can do the same AFCAD for FSX? ;)
Peter
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Hallo Harpsi
you can do the same AFCAD for FSX? ;)
Peter
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Does it work on FSX? If yes, that´s perfect. If not, well, I don´t use FSX at all. I have a very good system but not enough space and not enough specs to run FSX, so I don´t know which tool can I use to do that. :-[ But I will search for that one and I will try it. :) I already tried a tool from avsim but it didn´t work :(
harpsi
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Hallo
It works not fine. some airplanes was one or an half meter up de Runway when it's taxi.
where nice when some one find a tool.
Peter
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Ok, then it works only with FS9. Well, it is only intended to work with FS9 and not FSX. Maybe if someone finds a tool to convert the file, it would be good.
harpsi
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hi... it´s possible send me the afcad file of harpsi for my email?
possible send to:
mico996@hotmail.com
cheers
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Uhm does anyone would like to send me the AFCAD by PM because all files have been deleted? ???
Or where can I find this file with crossing runways??