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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #375 on: April 24, 2012, 06:48:08 am »
I've been taking a vacation from FSX but had the urge to make a mini-vid tonight. It's not "pitching deck", but it sure is fun. Give it a try.



Micro, nice video, seems quite realistic...how do you get the voice telling you how far away you are from the AC ("two miles", "one mile"...)? I am not sure it's coming from Serge's vLSO...
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #376 on: April 24, 2012, 07:25:07 am »
Nice video micro.

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #377 on: April 25, 2012, 09:12:20 pm »
Check out these mods:

http://royalefrenchnavy.gratisim.fr/RFN-Creations.htm

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A virtual landing officer
Improved FLOLS visibility
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Maybe you guys should have a chat with them and exchange ideas etc. This website looks quite good and I'll try to download it and test it sometime this week.

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #378 on: April 26, 2012, 07:57:47 pm »
Johan, I sure hope it's the vLSO making the distance calls. Otherwise my computer is haunted.  ;)

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« Reply #379 on: April 26, 2012, 08:29:42 pm »
Johan, I sure hope it's the vLSO making the distance calls. Otherwise my computer is haunted.  ;)

Thanks Micro, I need to check why I don't hear the distance calls on my computer...I hear all the rest alright, especially the "wave-off's".. :)

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #380 on: April 27, 2012, 07:57:36 am »
CASE III in bad weather conditions or at night is where the vLSO will call distance etc.

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #381 on: May 07, 2012, 07:28:41 am »
Serge...

Also, was thinking about the FCLP mission... do you have those set for a 3.0 GS or are those IFLOLS trailers also auto-set to 4.0?

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #382 on: May 07, 2012, 05:17:15 pm »
Sludge,
if my memory serves me right, the Mk14 IFLOLS trailers were set to 3.75 at KNRA (NOLF Coupeville) and to 3.5 at KNJK (NAF El Centro).
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« Reply #383 on: May 07, 2012, 09:22:00 pm »
Serge...

Am still trying to find the exact reference, but I thought the shore-based FLOLS/IFLOLS are based on a 3.0/3.2 Basic Angle GS due to lack of WoD. Whereas shipboard FLOLS/IFLOLS are set at 3.5 Basic Angle, that goes down to a 2.8 effective with ~27 kts WoD.

Not definitive, I know, but if I can get the reference information, CAN YOU change that in IFLOLS trailers?

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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #384 on: May 08, 2012, 09:38:51 am »
Trying to find/dig in my CNATRA pubs for FCLP numbers.
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #385 on: May 08, 2012, 10:11:17 am »
LSO NATOPS has the info but I do not remember what the settings were during my testing of FCLPs for FSXNP some time ago now. FSXNP would have better access to that info. I recall that having a strong wind really helped with whatever glideslope was selected to use with whatever SLUDGE Hornet was in use at that time. As I recall the FSXNP FCLP Missions were set up with a strong wind, no turbulence, straight down the runway to give a better look at things and a slow groundspeed for practice.

Here is a bit of text from the LSO NATOPS. I'll post some pages soonish [now attached]:

http://info.publicintelligence.net/LSO-NATOPS-MAY09.pdf (2Mb)

"3.3.3.3 MK 14 System Set-up
The MK 14 has precision bubble levels installed on it for easier set-up. These bubble levels are mounted on the back of the source light box (Unit 1) and located just above jack 3, see Figure 3-4. One bubble is for roll and two for pitch. There is a 3.0° pitch bubble and a 3.25° pitch bubble. Typically the IFLOLS sites have concrete pads, which the MK 14 sits on, and the five jack locations are marked on the pad. The MK 14 is moved onto the pad and jacks 1, 2 and 3 are used to level the trailer in pitch and roll...."
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"...Relative wind over the deck needs to be considered during FCLP to select a reasonable compromise on glideslope angle used, considering pilot senses, aircraft power response, LSO sight picture, and aircraft aerodynamics. When selecting a basic angle for FCLP with relatively light winds at the field, a 2-3/4° or 3° glideslope may have the pilot and the LSO seeing a low, flat glideslope. Additionally, the ball will be considerably more difficult to control as the aircraft approaches touchdown. This may become apparent in an excessive number of bolters or early touchdowns...."

There are two videos of one each of the dusk/night missions here:


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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #386 on: May 08, 2012, 10:22:16 am »
3.25 for FLOLS. Each cell on the FLOLS is 1.5* wide, and 1.7* on the IFLOLS as found in CNATRA P-1211.

https://www.cnatra.navy.mil/pubs/ppub_t45_str.htm
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #387 on: May 08, 2012, 12:35:17 pm »
IF this forum is searched for FCLP Missions there is a lot of info about it. FSXNP and myself found a lot of information about airfield lighting and all the other stuff required and many settings of lighting intensity and glideslope angles were tested to find the right fit with right weather conditions for the 5 FSXNP FCLP Missions (Rev2?) available now. I recall even the time of year was important to place the rising full moon above the horizon during the base turn. It helps. No clouds either I think?

I would guess that if someone wants to change the WX conditions in these missions then this is possible. Perhaps FSXNP could provide another 'different glideslope' mission or missions but that is up to him.

In the meantime here are some FCLP pages from the now very much out of date 'LSO Reference Manual Rev.B'. If anyone finds the most recent edition online then please let us know. It was revised in late 2010. PDF pages attached.

The last page has links to online Utube videos of FCLP for T-45C where the pilot notes the G/S is 3 degrees. However for the specific FSX Missions for FCLP I recall asking for higher G/S and strong winds as described earlier for the SLUDGE Hornet for those specific conditions. Try it - you'll like it.  ;D
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Re: vLSO Beta release
« Reply #388 on: May 08, 2012, 12:55:39 pm »
Thread page by FSXNP about the 'Vol.2' FCLP Missions excerpted here from here:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=3211.120

"The FCLP Missions pack vol.2 is ready to go. You can get it from Avsim.com. search for FCLP Missions pack vol.2 or use direct link:
http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?DLID=155351&CatID=fsxmsn

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FCLP Missions pack vol.2 is an updated version of the original FCLP Missions pack. The new pack features an authentic IFLOLS Mk.14, a custom FSX lights texture and modified El Centro and Coupeville sceneries as well as the missions.

Filename: fclp_pack_vol2.zip
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« Reply #389 on: May 08, 2012, 01:15:50 pm »
Latest edition of the USN LSO Newsletter has a page about FCLP (attached) from:

http://www.hrana.org/documents/PaddlesMonthlyMay2012.pdf (1.2Mb)

Back to the Basics: The Pattern

"As a young student naval aviator in VT-22 flying FCLP’s for the first time, a wise LSO once told me that 80% of a good pass can be attributed to flying a disciplined pattern and getting to a good start. After that the monkey skills of “meatball, lineup, angle of attack” that are developed in FCLP’s take over for the remaining 20% of the pass. After years of flying behind the ship and waving students, I think there is still a lot of truth to that. Whether you believe those percentages or you have some of your own, we all agree as LSO’s that a good start generally leads to a good pass. Whether it’s “on and on” at ¾ mile at night or stabilized on glide slope and centerline and on speed rolling into the groove during the day.

Any Training qualified LSO in the FRS or CNATRA will tell you that you don’t really appreciate the intricacies of the day Case 1 pattern until you have to teach it on a regular basis. Whether a pilot is learning to land on the ship for the first time or learning a new aircraft, you can’t assume they know everything there is to know about the pattern and it’s our job as LSO’s to teach them. Numbers in the crosswind turn, downwind gouge for getting to a good abeam, a good instrument turn off the 180, numbers in the approach turn, etc. are all critical to getting to that good start window that we all expect.

From my experience in the fleet, the basics of the Case 1 pattern are sometimes glossed over by LSO’s because of the experience level in the squadron or the need to teach other advanced topics like Airwing SOP to nuggets. However, it’s never too late to review the pattern with your squadron or airwing to ensure your pilots stay predictable behind the ship and to keep bad habits from adversely affecting performance. I think the best time to do this is during workups when you are briefing FCLP’s to your ready rooms. Instead of just telling a joke and briefing course rules to and from the outlying field, FCLP briefs are a great opportunity to reinforce the basics. I guarantee that you will learn a thing or two about the pattern that you may have forgotten since your days in the training command or FRS and you will be a better LSO and pilot for it.

As always, job security is high for Wing qualified LSO’s in Meridian and Kingsville. If you like flying 2-3 times a day and waiving (sic) ;D then the Training Command is calling your name. Keep ‘em safe and off the ramp.

LCDR Jim “Notso” Breitenfeld CNATRA LSO (8 years and counting)"
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