Greenie Board Possibilities?

[SpazSinbad]

Finding more photos of the PALM in use would be handy.    Photos without context or text describing the scene can be easily misinterpreted if features otherwise unknown. To me the metal spiral rings are easily seen.

However to me it looks like the hard cover spiral bound notebook has colour graphs inside which the LSOs are consulting. OK. Bear in mind I have not seen a PALM handheld device for about a decade. What happened to them anyway. Mobile phones and BlackBerries took over eh.

[Paddles]

Ok, guys
Here's a WIP update. It's a sample screenshot of the vLSO program (initial beta version).


What does work already:

• monitoring of SimConnect and FSX connections
• reaction to certain mission events
• requesting info, required for grading
• presenting info in two formats (logbook/APARTS

What will work:

• textual debriefing
• voice LSO calls during approach and landing
• GreenieBoard upload
• and grading, of course  

The mission is 80% ready.

[Razgriz]

Awesome.  What is it coded in?

[Paddles]

Delphi7

[GOONIE]

Awesome Serge!!! 

The vLSO program is looking great, couple small questions. Is it possible to include a couple features typical on a greenie board, such as color coded grade boxes (box filled in based on grade), markings for day/night passes, and pilot name/callsign? See Razgriz's greenie board example for typical box colors and markings for OK, Fair, No Grade, etc.

http://www.sludgehornet.com/GreenieBoard/Blank%20Example/GreenieBoard.html

Also my LSO sound update 3 is available now on AVSIM, let me know if you have any requests or questions, hope they help.

-CAPT

[Paddles]

Guys,
let's make it clear...

What is a Greenie Board? It's a board used by naval aviators to record the number of traps pilots have made. I like this definition: This is a prominently displayed aircraft carrier squadron scoreboard where the landing signal officers rate the pilots’ carrier landings (any color other than green is bad). Also called the “weenie board”.   So, it is publicly available and contains only grades, not any other approach details.

But this vLSO program is primarily intended for everyone's personal use on their local PCs. You may consider it like your personal LSO, because it will watch, record and grade/score your landing attempts. These records will be kept on your PC and then only your scores, for a given period of time, could be uploaded to a server, maintaining that publicly available comparison table, looking like the real Greenie Board. Good example is here http://www.pbase.com/image/99190343. Very similar to Razgriz's one...
And another example of VFA-41 unique style:


CAPT,
It's ok to add pilot name/callsign, but I'm not sure about color coded grades. Will think about it..   Day/night passes already marked with D/N in date column.
And thanks for your LSO sound update, some really nice new samples!

[GOONIE]

Roger that, thanks Serge! Looking forward to the beta release!

Understand there will be no "weenie board" at this time 

[SpazSinbad]

fsxnp, Thanks for good pics. HMAS Melbourne had a 'hi-tech' chalkboard outside the common aircrew briefing room - one of the most crowded spaces - because it was one of the few airconditioned spaces near the flight deck. Below is a 'modified' APPROACH Magazine cartoon - an unrealistic polite LSO/Pilot debrief for sure. 

[Paddles]

Another question...
In FSX/TGS missions the LSO calls the number of wire, but on many real videos they say nothing upon touchdown (at least I couldn't hear anything wire-specific). Is that true? Should the vLSO call the wire or not?

[SpazSinbad]

It is not clear to me what is being simulated. If the intention is to simulate the 'real world' LSO then NOTHING is said except mandatory calls. One finds out the wire at the LSO debrief. I'm not sure if any pilot thinks it is a big deal at the time. They are glad to be aboard without anyone YELLING at them! 

Seriously - what is being simulated? Is it the real situation or whatever was done in that other FSX thing.

More LSO talking is done at the FCLP stage. Onboard the last thing anyone wants to hear is the LSO (except mandatory calls). No one talks needlessly on the radio - ever. The radio is for emergency use.

Anything can be simulated of course. IF the required information is given in the debrief then don't have the radio calls. If there is no debrief (via some scoring system) then by all means have a bunch of radio calls but that is not realistic.

[GOONIE]

Serge, the TGS mission calls out the wire and also includes and audible debrief following a trap, but this was done for simulation purposes only (simulates the debrief you would get in the ready room), and is not how they do it in the real world.

As Spaz points out, the debrief, including the wire caught, would be given later in the ready room face to face, hope that helps.

-Capt

[Paddles]

Yeah, I see... Indeed, my intention is to simulate the 'real' LSO as closely as possible, but I also do realize that the modeling of human thinking is beyond my humble abilities. All I can do is try to create a set of logic rules, which will govern my virtual LSO's behaviour. That's why I ask such questions. 

NAVAIR 00-80T-104, Chapter 9:
Under normal recovery conditions, the LSO should restrict his radio transmissions to the minimum necessary to provide positive corrective signals to the pilot during the actual approach. It must be realized, however, that at some times (i.e., initial stages of FCLP, excessive deck motion, restricted ceiling/visibility, etc.) the number of LSO radio transmissions will be greater than normal
....
The LSO must on occasion use radio transmissions to effect safe aircraft recovery. Calls that are too frequent or verbose actually degrade pilot training and performance.

Pretty clear. However, I think that the level of LSO talking could be adjustable by the user, from 'ALL' (i.e. informative, advisory, and imperative phrases) to 'MODERATE' (imperative phrases only) and to 'NONE' (no calls at all). I proposed something like that a few days ago, AFAIR... 

[SpazSinbad]

fsxnp, OK your last sentence as a solution - if possible - is a good one IMHO.

FCLP has a lot of calls if the pilot is 'OFF' but none if he is "ON" the ball. Pilot learns during FCLP with the aircraft carrier a different scenario.

Apart from the mentioned simulation (I had never used it) often I see documentaries where for 'dramatic' reasons the LSO is babbling at an approaching aircraft. Often I am waiting for the 'LSO writer' to hit the offender with a big lump of metal saying "SHADDUP"! 

However you will understand that just showing an LSO looking mute but worried is not so dramatic for the film. Also the CarQual docos for first timers in old jets and probably T-45Cs will have more talkative LSOs for this reason and in real life but not once they get to the Hornet Squadrons etc.

[Sludge]

Serge...

I'd say throw in the user ADJUSTABLE (All, Moderate, None) settings, then once we fly it, we can give you feedback on how it worked.  I know personally, I feel right now Id rarely if ever, use the ALL... but some people might like the ALL setting.  Who knows, if its tweaked right and I use ALL, I might like it?  Id have to make about 20 passes apiece and see what worked.

Or maybe add some categories:  ALL (informative, advisory, imperative, and wire), FULL (informative, advisory, and imperative), MEDIUM (advisory and imperative), MODERATE (imperative), and NONE (zip lip, no calls).  Whereas, in this setup, I know Id PROBABLY LIKE the MEDIUM or MODERATE settings.  Still would have to fly about 20 passes on each to get a good feel of what I liked.

Hope this helps?

Later
Sludge

[SpazSinbad]

Similar Greenie Board (unseen in fsxnp URL only post above):

"... looking like the real Greenie Board. Good example is here http://www.pbase.com/image/99190343. Very similar to Razgriz's one..."

""Greenie Board" that is on display in Ready Room 3 aboard the Midway in San Diego."
http://lfeldhaus.tripod.com/cmdrjackfeldhaususn/id37.html

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