Can we make the GSX window NOT dissapear ?

[wakevortex]

Love the program , and use it exclusively in VR mainly with Fenix A320...
is there any way we can make the window NOT  disappear, so we can move it somewhere in the VR cockpit and just look at it  as we need it?
As it stands, for example we have no idea when the crew are actually ready to push ( so we can say what direction of push) and have to open GSX either from Toolbar or the Flow wheel and guess when that stage is ready to go.. ..
mapping gsx to a key command is fine, but keys are a non starter in VR... . ive assigned that key command  to a joystick button, but GSX only appears intermittently when hitting those key commands for some reason when in VR ..
Having a fixed GSX window, would be great for VR in my view... any thoughts appreciated - hope it makes sense

[birkenmoped]

But please not as a standard setting, but only as an option. I only need the GSX window for a very small part of the entire flight and am glad that this window disappears automatically.
I would also like to see this for some of the other FS2020 windows!

Thanks!

[wakevortex]

Absolutely as an option... would be great to have it !

[sthienard]

+1: I agree: the GSX window doesn't have to disappear without user intervention.

[virtuali]

This has been discussed and answered so many times:

The GSX menu disappears automatically after a *variable* time, which has been selected depending on the operation, and also the *effect* of what will happen after a timeout changes depending on the operation, in some cases it won't do anything, in other cases it will choose a default and proceed.

This because the way GSX works, you open the menu, select a command, and then you might not need the menu for some time, and nothing useful appears on the menu that would need justify keeping it open ( like a moving map, for example.

So, the menu stays on screen only when is really required, so it won't cover instruments and, most importantly, won't "steal" all the numeric keys from the simulator, which might be used for other functions/instruments/efbs, etc. and with the different timeouts times and effects, will allow to operate GSX without having to press extra keys if you are ok for the default choice, like when selecting some operator, which has a short timeout time and a default choice.

In addition to that, other than stealing keys from the sim, keeping the menu open has also an impact on performances, because the menu items would need to be kept refreshed continuously  (for example when the status of an in-progress operation changes), opposite to how it is now, when the menu entries are only refreshed when the menu opens.

[wakevortex]

Ok thanks for the explanation , given its not going to be possible to keep it open, can you look into the fact that in VR , the window doesnt always open when called by the keyboard shortcut (in my case mapped to a joystick button , as in VR we cant see the keys ! ) - it does the same in 2d unless you have just opened GSX some other way, then it works reliably for a few minutes.... very odd..
...it would be really useful for that to work reliably so we can call it up with one press rather than via the toolbar or Flow..
thanks

[virtuali]

can you look into the fact that in VR , the window doesnt always open

The MSFS menu system itself has issues in VR we can't really fix. Not without modifying stock menu files, which we'd rather not.

[wakevortex]

Ok thanks for info... is that the same reason that for example GSX does not pop up in VR when ready to select push  direction...currently we just have to guess when its ready in VR ..?

[AndyCYXU]

I hate that disappearing window but whatever..I learnt to deal with it same as the stupid suitcases cannot be seen in VR spot view..anyways

It does pop up in VR when there is time to select push back direction.

The way I learnt to deal with GSX is to make sure at the beginning that GSX icon in top tool bar is white.. so first time you have to usually click on it and then it will open window and it will remain white, DO NOT EVER CLICK ON IT THERE AGAIN

So the window will open and you just move it to the side, DO NOT CLOSE IT WITH THE "X" it might screw it up . Just move it aside and every time you use your button on joystick designated as shortcut to open the window it will open every time and you can use joy button to close it too but never "X" or the "TOP MENU"

As for the window not pooping up when ready to choose direction maybe you are missing it, stupid thing doesn't stay open for very long, never timed it but maybe only 15 sec.... but I have it pop out on me every time no fail.

I recently use Fenix that helps a lot having to deal with the stupid window as everything is done nicely incorporated and Fenix takes care of it all just need to as I wrote earlier  at the beginning to make sure open GSX from top so Icon is WHITE and then I always have window open for me to select push direction.

[wakevortex]

Hmm thats interesting..its  not popping up for me to select pushback direction..I do see it pop up occasionally other times but then get dismissed by fenix .
Maybe its because Im using the Fenix A320 with Fenix2GSX - (as I prefer it to the fenix own integration) and that is somehow preventing  that popping up
Will look at that white toolbar tip you mention ..I actually use Parallel 42 Flow rather than the toolbar to open GSX, so again maybe thats interfering ...
appreciate it !
and by the way I DO see suitcases being handled  in outside view..do you not?

[wakevortex]

Interesting..using the Toolbar to make the icon white as you suggested DID pop the GSX up in VR..so that for some reason seems to be crucial...thanks for the tip !
as  I said I usually use 42 Flow to do it ...

[AndyCYXU]

Hmm thats interesting..its  not popping up for me to select pushback direction..I do see it pop up occasionally other times but then get dismissed by fenix .
Maybe its because Im using the Fenix A320 with Fenix2GSX - (as I prefer it to the fenix own integration) and that is somehow preventing  that popping up
Will look at that white toolbar tip you mention ..I actually use Parallel 42 Flow rather than the toolbar to open GSX, so again maybe thats interfering ...
appreciate it !
and by the way I DO see suitcases being handled  in outside view..do you not?

NO, I do not see the suitcases in External view while in VR (spot view).. only when in Drone view as then i can zoom in , external view cannot be zoomed in while in VR so it is just far enough that this LOD does not load for me, I can see a suitcase when the guy grabs it and puts it on the belt, but the carts are empty, at certain angle sometimes i can see them but it is all about distance and DEVELOPER refuses to change it clearly like the whole world would fall apart and sim will crash by making LOD on suitcases to appear from further away, clearly he never tried his add-on in VR

I never used Fenix2GSX I just use integrated Fenix whatever they did in v2, but i am glad my tip about making the icon "white" (active) helped you

[wakevortex]

aaah understood...  I see the same then....only when he puts it on the belt .didnt occur to me we were missing them on the carts.
I wont ask for it to be fixed again as you have clearly had no joy

[virtuali]

The way I learnt to deal with GSX is to make sure at the beginning that GSX icon in top tool bar is white.. so first time you have to usually click on it and then it will open window and it will remain white, DO NOT EVER CLICK ON IT THERE AGAIN

That's exactly what the manual says, when the menu is explained, at Page 89. The manual go into detail to explain the *reason* why it's like this so, it's useful to read it and no use repeating it here entirely but, this is the short version:

This is now your normal workflow should be:

• Open the GSX menu from the Toolbar icon when first starting Ground services .

• Don’t close it from the Toolbar while Ground services are performed, always use the Hot-key or the X icon to close the menu.

• Close the menu using the Toolbar icon when you are done with Ground services, usually before take-off.

In brief, the Toolbar Icon should always be left Active while Ground services are
required.

[AndyCYXU]

That's exactly what the manual says, when the menu is explained, at Page 89. The manual go into detail to explain the *reason* why it's like this so, it's useful to read it and no use repeating it here entirely but, this is the short version:

You really think most people are going to read though 88 pages of manual to get to page 89, LMAO

BTW I have not closed GSX window with an "X" since very long time, maybe it has been fixed but I recall closing window with an "X" actually closed it and the icon went grey so i just got used to using the "hot Key" and let move it out of sight so it closes by itself, might try it on my next flight but Fenix did great job integrating GSX with the aircraft not having to deal with the GSX menus almost at all.