Entering VR Can Break MSFS Menus with GSX Pro

[fearlessfrog]

Hi,

I think there's an issue with entering VR and getting into a 'stuck' MSFS menu state when using GSX Pro. My steps to recreate the issue are:

1 - Start MSFS in 2D (I need to do this as the World Map / Load flight brings up a system dialog that gets stuck in VR, not a GSX issue just an Asobo bug).

2 - Start flight from World Map screen.

3 - Enter VR (Ctrl + Tab) from the flight preview screen (the one that says 'Start Flight' and shows an outside cutscene view).

4 - Now within VR the MSFS Tab and menu button assignments are in a broken state, so the in-game Menu bar can't be seen or accessed. It seems like the GSX Pro menu is initializing when VR is entered but can't be accessed and is appearing off screen. It does not appear in the VR view, but is now stopping access to other MSFS toolbar selections.

I've repeated the above steps with GSX Pro disabled and it all works ok.

I notice that whenever VR is entered that GSX seems to reinitialize whatever the state of the aircraft e.g. in flight etc, as in the GSX menu appears in the 2D mirror view but with a warning of 'GSX can't be initialized in flight above xxx etc'. This makes it hard to switch between 2D and VR, as GSX is getting confused maybe? Is there a way for GSX not to reinitialize when entering VR, as for long flights it's nice to be able to go from 2D/VR and back etc.

The workaround is probably to start MSFS in VR always e.g. never be in 2D mode (and then get sounds with GSX Pro in VR as well) but then I can't access the Load function of the World Map, to bring in a saved Simbrief flight plan.

One thing I could try would be to start in 2D, enter VR only when in the cockpit view already, then restart the Couatl engine from the systray icon (taking off headset, and Ctrl+Y desktop focus) allowing the sounds to work - that might unstuck the menus?

Thanks for any help with this. Even if I have to workaround like above, I wanted to pass on what I'm seeing anyway, in case it can be made better.

[Markymarksti]

I have the same issue but only ever noticed it since flying in the PMDG Boeing 737-700.

But once it is there I cannot access the VR menu in any other aircraft without re-starting MSFS without Couatl running

[JC80]

Has anyone found a fix for this? Using GSX causes this issue and all of my menus disappear in VR. Also, when I try to exit the flight (in 2D) the sim just hangs on the loading screen. Deactivating GSX removes these issues.

[Markymarksti]

Exactly the same issue well put, JC80.

After extensive testing, I have found that the issue occurs when using any AI traffic addon. Whether it is FSLTL or AIG, once you inject the traffic the menu's disappear and you cannot exit the sim without terminating it from Task Manager.

It all worked just fine up until around the GSX Pro updates on October 21st and 25th.

Since then and even after Nov 11th update it is unusable in VR with any AI traffic.

Please, someone respond to this posting or we will have to ditch GSX Pro.

[virtuali]

After extensive testing, I have found that the issue occurs when using any AI traffic addon. Whether it is FSLTL or AIG, once you inject the traffic the menu's disappear and you cannot exit the sim without terminating it from Task Manager.

Please, someone respond to this posting or we will have to ditch GSX Pro.

Not sure why you would want to "ditch GSX", when you found the issue is caused the traffic injectors. That looks like confusing the cause with the effect.

[Markymarksti]

Poor response and not unexpected.

Both AI traffic programs work perfectly well with every other add-on or basic Sim function.

The only issue is when you run GSX Pro.

Normally when you enter VR the GSX Pro menu appears and then connects. This does not happen and makes the Sim VR toolbar inaccessible and on exit hangs the Sim.

Perhaps instead of blaming the other software you should carry out some testing of your own?

If it is an issue then a conversation between developers could be the solution instead of denial?

Given the choice of just one or the other AI traffic over GSX Pro, sorry but I know where my choice would be.

[virtuali]

Poor response and not unexpected.

My response was related exactly to what you wrote.

Both AI traffic programs work perfectly well with every other add-on or basic Sim function. The only issue is when you run GSX Pro.

From what you wrote, it seems you noticed the problem only happens when you ran the traffic injectors. If this is accurate, your sentence could be also written as:

"GSX work perfectly well with every other add-on or basic Sim function. The only issue is when you run a Traffic Injector."

If I understood it incorrectly, please clarify. Traffic injection is NOT a "basic Sim function", it's another add-on, and it's also factually incorrect saying that Traffic injection "work perfectly well with every other add-on or basic Sim function", it's simply not true for the following reasons:

- The are known issues with SU11 that has been acknowledged by the FLSTL developers, not their fault, it's related to several changes to AI in SU11, but the problems are there

- Regardless of the problems, there's the issue of possibly hitting the maximum number of Simobjects, which can happen with Traffic Injection at very dense airports even without using GSX.

Perhaps instead of blaming other the other software you should carry out some testing of your own?

And why, exactly, the onus of testing compatibility with another add-ons should rest solely on us ? This, assuming what you wrote is accurate, or I understood correctly the problem only happens when using GSX with those Traffic injection tools.

Given the choice of just one or the other AI traffic over GSX Pro, sorry but I know where my choice would be.

Wrong choice, but that's your opinion, you can freely express, like I am free to express I think it's the wrong choice.

[Markymarksti]

I take it back.

It is not the AI traffic causing this as it just happened again with no AI traffic running.

If you have to ALT/Return to exit full screen mode to access anything (Simbrief etc.)

Then on return into VR menu is not always accessible and once this has happened you cannot re-start the flight or even return to home screen as the sim hangs until you force close it through Task Manager and needs to be opened in Safe mode and then closed normally before things get back to normal.

[cannow]

Having problems after entering VR when using GSX . First sign is no toolbar in VR and models stop injecting in to sim from GSX . Exit to menu never completes and I have to restart the PC. Only happens with GSX installed . Can someone test in VR please . I have a reverb G2 headset. Just started last few days. 

[cannow]

any thoughts anyone

[cannow]

seems I am not the only one having issuses and a real blocker for vr flyers https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/no-pause-menu-toolbar-in-vr/562275

[infus1on]

I can confirm I am having the same issue. The only way to get the toolbar back is to deactivate GSX. I deactivated because I need my charts more than GSX. Hopefully there will be some kind of fix.

[cannow]

thanks good to confirm . i wonder if it is the keep alive and highlighted causing issues wonder if a way to turn off . can live without.

[cannow]

Really could do with assistance three days now.
Attached some logs but cant see anything there . You enter VR toolbar will no longer work and GSX will no longer inject models.
You cant close down the flight.
This has just started but cant pin down to which update. Dont think I saw it before the latest openxr update but doubt linked. Will post if more info.
Be really nice if the dev team can give a glimmer of how to fault find this.

[virtuali]

This has just started but cant pin down to which update. Dont think I saw it before the latest openxr update but doubt linked. Will post if more info.  Be really nice if the dev team can give a glimmer of how to fault find this.

It might have been useful if you provided some context about your issue, for example when and how you switch to VR, if you use AI with injection, etc. As I posted on the MSFS forum:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/fsdreamteam-gsx-for-msfs/287195/930

I tried using latest GSX with the latest MSFS version ( SU11 AAU1 Beta ), and I couldn't find any issue. Also, check the latest post there, which seems to indicate the problem is caused by having hit the max number of objects, which will in turn make the whole Simconnect unresponsive.